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October 3rd, 2012, 11:25 PM
#11
Still loving it and the RX100 is truly pocketable with better IQ and flexibility than the 12mp sensored Olympus/Panasonic bodies. I think @ f2.5 or so the Sony RX100 has better over IQ (detail more than color/corners excepted-maybe) than the 14mm with a 12mp sensor. Auto focus will be faster (though not by much) with an E-PM1/2/GF3/5 than the RX100.
Crap I forget the E-PM2 has the new Oly/Sony 16mp sensor. Yeah, it will beat up on the RX100 by a good bit based on my experience with the OM-D as my main body now.
Last edited by zapatista; October 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 PM.
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October 4th, 2012, 01:51 AM
#12
I'm getting the sense that there may be some quality variation with RX100 units (some are made in Japan and others in China, though I have no idea if that's a factor). I've noticed people in different forums talking about IQ issues I just don't see on my MiJ RX100. Some people get glowing highlights in f1.8 closeups, some people find poor corner sharpness, some people complain about poor IQ overall. Perhaps this is just what happens with a completely new camera... people with problems are more likely to post on forums. But I haven't experienced any of these problems. Nothing but great detail, great colour, and great versatility in a camera that fits in my jeans pocket (nothing bigger would). I think the images are very workable, too, in post-processing, contrary to what was said here. Look at the portraits I posted in this forum and point me to another pocketable camera that can pull that off...
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October 4th, 2012, 02:33 AM
#13
Take a look at these shots taken in two museums where it is forbidden to take pictures:
Flickr: couleurnoire's Photostream
It has many drawbacks, blocked shadows and blown highlights but it sure is a cool snapshot camera! The wide angle ones were taken with the omd+7-14 BTW.
Here is one I could not have taken without a handy zoom cam:
Last edited by KianO; October 4th, 2012 at 02:39 AM.
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October 4th, 2012, 02:36 AM
#14
 Originally Posted by docno
Perhaps this is just what happens with a completely new camera... people with problems are more likely to post on forums. But I haven't experienced any of these problems. Nothing but great detail, great colour, and great versatility in a camera that fits in my jeans pocket (nothing bigger would). I think the images are very workable, too, in post-processing, contrary to what was said here. Look at the portraits I posted in this forum and point me to another pocketable camera that can pull that off...
Do give people on this forum the benefit of doubt, that they actually might know what they're talking about. Most users on this forum are camera-holics for want of a better word, and first time adopters who have used a variety of equipment. Their perspective on the RX100 might be one arrived at after having tested and used many different compact cameras.
What might be acceptable as "great detail" might not be true for another user of the camera. I for one think that the RX100 does not put out files that have very good pixel level resolution. I think Sony would have done better to not cram 24mp into this sensor.
I also stand by the fact that the files do not hold up well in post. Minor adjustments have too large an impact on the image, which is not acceptable.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, possibly due to a preset algorithm (by Sony engineers) the camera smooths out and flattens skin tones, according to my tests, in ALL settings to different degrees. Which is great for a novice shooter but is an irritant to me, since I like control of my images.
If you're happy with the camera, that's great. And you're right of course, that at this level of pocket-ability it might be the best camera in the market. But it's not for me.
I'm attaching a 100% crop on an image taken at f11, 1/2000th of a second to highlight what is not acceptable in the camera for me, try shooting some landscapes and come to your own conclusions -
Last edited by Boid; October 4th, 2012 at 02:44 AM.
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire
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October 4th, 2012, 02:36 AM
#15
Now this is a complete irrational thing: the rx100 lacks soul in my humble opinion but it has no competition in my humble opinion. I personally love simple cams and simple setup, it is right up there in that respect but... All these modern cams distract me from the photographic soul, I cannot escape that right now and I'm working on it ;).
Take care.
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October 4th, 2012, 02:40 AM
#16
Giger! Love his work.
 Originally Posted by KianO
Take a look at these shots taken in two museums where it is forbidden to take pictures:
Flickr: couleurnoire's Photostream
It has many drawbacks, blocked shadows and blown highlights but it sure is a cool snapshot camera! The wide angle ones were taken with the omd+7-14 BTW.
Here is one I could not have taken without a handy zoom cam:

"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire
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October 4th, 2012, 02:48 AM
#17
 Originally Posted by Boid
Giger! Love his work.
Tortured soul IMHO but he is a genius, so are many geniuses probably...
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October 4th, 2012, 02:49 AM
#18
 Originally Posted by Boid
Do give people on this forum the benefit of doubt, that they actually might know what they're talking about. Most users on this forum are camera-holics for want of a better word, and first time adopters who have used a variety of equipment. Their perspective on the RX100 might be one arrived at after having tested and used many different compact cameras.
What might be acceptable as "great detail" might not be true for another user of the camera. I for one think that the RX100 does not put out files that have very good pixel level resolution. I think Sony would have done better to not cram 24mp into this sensor.
I also stand by the fact that the files do not hold up well in post. Minor adjustments have too large an impact on the image, which is not acceptable.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, possibly due to a preset algorithm (by Sony engineers) the camera smooths out and flattens skin tones, according to my tests, in ALL settings to different degrees. Which is great for a novice shooter but is an irritant to me, since I like control of my images.
If you're happy with the camera, that's great. And you're right of course, that at this level of pocket-ability it might be the best camera in the market. But it's not for me.
I'm attaching a 100% crop on an image taken at f11, 1/2000th of a second to highlight what is not acceptable in the camera for me, try shooting some landscapes and come to your own conclusions -

Gee never had such bad shots, I wonder if your cam is defective? For the rest of your comments I agree though.
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October 4th, 2012, 02:49 AM
#19
 Originally Posted by KianO
Now this is a complete irrational thing: the rx100 lacks soul in my humble opinion but it has no competition in my humble opinion. I personally love simple cams and simple setup, it is right up there in that respect but... All these modern cams distract me from the photographic soul, I cannot escape that right now and I'm working on it ;).
Take care.
I agree. Shooting with this camera is a very un-involved experience. It has all the right bits off a checklist, but somehow doesn't feel put together by a photographer. It's a problem with all Sony products. They have such marvelous engineering though, right at the cutting edge. But their products almost always fail to involve the user.
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire
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October 4th, 2012, 02:54 AM
#20
 Originally Posted by Pelao
Ray has raised an interesting factor. What we really need is an online comparison tool that lets us calculate tight-pants pocket ability. I can see the headline: SC launches the eagerly awaited Tight Pants Camera App.
Sorry. Need more coffee.
LOL - ok I'm gonna drink a cup ...
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