Thread: I hate PC's!!!

Originally Posted by lenshoarder

Ah... you realize Macs are now made by the same people that make PCs right? In fact, the manfacturer that makes Macs make bottom of the barrel PC components.

I've had Apple products since th Apple ][. Most have failed for the same reason. Cold solder joints. My Lisa died for another reason. The Apple suicide device kicked in as planned and killed it. I've also have had PC products since the beginning. Other than the one that fried when there was a voltage spike when a transformer down the street blew, every single one is still working. I still use my original PC keyboard. Those early IBM keyboards are the best keyboards ever made.

Personal anecdotes are one thing. Here are some statistics.

"On average, 22% of all MacBook and MacBook Pro computers in the survey required repair"

MacBook/MacBook Pro Reliability

The industry average is 5%. Historically, Macs are 4 times more unreliable than PCs.

Look at those stats. The 22% might be the average, but the failure rate dropped immensely (looking at the first chart) since the switch to the Intel platform. Also note that in general, there are FAR more macs being produced now than in the past, and the rates are industry average now.

So, I guess I will avoid 10 year old Power PC macbooks.

On iMacs, the white iMacs were prone to overheating. I've had 3 do that. The aluminum bodies have helped. On the other hand, I've never had the registry crash like I have on many PCs.

Originally Posted by wt21

Look at those stats. The 22% might be the average, but the failure rate dropped immensely (looking at the first chart) since the switch to the Intel platform. Also note that in general, there are FAR more macs being produced now than in the past, and the rates are industry average now.

There's a reason for that. The Intel Macs are PCs. A rose by any other name. Based off the same Intel reference designs. Same manufacturers. The only difference is software. That's why MacOS runs on pretty much any generic Intel reference design based PC.

Sadly, Apple uses the cheapest manufacturers. Macs are made by the same people that make the low end "PCs". It shows in their reliability ratings of even their current machines. If you want reliable go with a good brand like Lenovo.

2012 Computer Reliability Report: Lenovo Most Reliable, Acer Least Reliable, Apple Declined | Connecticut Consumer Advocate Protector Watchdog | Ct Consumer Complaints |Ct consumer Protection | Ct Advocate | Ct Consumer

Originally Posted by Pelao

Um, hardly a scientific survey.

As scientific as any poll. Do you know of a better one?

Originally Posted by Pelao

I have not had many hardware issues with either, but find it takes more work to keep the WIN OS running smoothly. I would agree with earlier comments: if my drive went i would just replace it.

Like Sue, I'm a SuperDuper fan.

Actually, I've switched to Carbon Copy Cloner now. I had an issue with Superduper! after that event, and requested some help from the developer. His attitude sucked, to say the least. He was flippant and no help at all: "support" is not a word in his vocab. I had tried the forums and got no response at all. I regretted having paid for it (after using it in *koffkoff* evaluation *koffkoff* mode for a couple of years, I decided it was worth the $$) and havent used it ever since...

Originally Posted by wt21

... On the other hand, I've never had the registry crash like I have on many PCs.

I've had maybe 4-5 kernel panics over 4 Macs and 5 years (eMac, iBook, iMac and MBP) and one of those was this morning when installing the latest ML seed. BSODs were at the very least a weekly occurrence on my various PCs.

Sue, did you run Windows 7 when you had BSODs? For me, a lot of the disadvantages of Windows disappeared when Win7 came out. I really find it that much better than previous versions of Windows. The only application that's giving me issues on Windows 7 is made by.... Apple ("resourcehog" iTunes).

I've had a variety of hardware failures with both Macs and PCs and can relate to Luke's experience of having a Mac fail shortly after Apple Care expired. I'm guessing I've seen as many Mac KPs as PC BSODs. I still buy and use both Macs and PCs but prefer Windows 7 to Mac OS 10.7. On the laptop side of things, I used to be partial to Powerbooks and then MacBook Pros, but my Thinkpad W520 has changed all that. Glad I gave Lenovo a chance!

Originally Posted by marlof

Sue, did you run Windows 7 when you had BSODs? For me, a lot of the disadvantages of Windows disappeared when Win7 came out. I really find it that much better than previous versions of Windows. The only application that's giving me issues on Windows 7 is made by.... Apple ("resourcehog" iTunes).

That was one of the big things about W7. It recovers really well. If you occasionally think you see your screen flicker. That would have been a BSOD in the past. Now W7 recovers before you are even think anything happened. iTunes is quite a pig under Windows. It's painful. For a company that has a rep for easy to use software, iTunes under windows is not a good example of that.

I've had Windows servers running for years without a crash. Just the occasional reboot for updates. I've developed on Macs. It's a KP fest. Windows is so much more stable for development. A lot of the problems developing uner MacOS and iOS are so nonsensical. Read the various developer forums and you'll hear the pain.

So i guess it doesn't matter what you have, you just have to pray that it will work for as long as possible!

what does the switch to intel have with improvement in "Cold solder joints" failure rates