Thread: Finally no big brother to my X10. Here's why...

Having bought the X10 last week I'm really liking a lot of things about this camera and was eagerly anticipating getting its "big brother", the X-E1, coupled with 35/1.4 as my main portrait tool. After playing extensively with a friend's X100 today (and harassing said friend with phones calls to make sure the erratic behavior or the camera was "normal", lol) it confirmed what's a total deal breaker for me (that already existed in the X10 but that I had forvigen to the "small camera") : no real time live view exposure feedback !!
Both the NEX and m4/3 Pannys I've had will let you chose whether you want the LCD/EVF to faithfully reflect your exposure settings, or not. Like in daylight with no flash I chose to, and in dim light using manual flash, I chose to boost the LCD/EVF to keep it bright to concentrate on composition.
The Fuji's don't do that. They automatically boost or "gain" the LCD/EVF and even if those get a bit brighter/dimmer with exposure setting changes, it does NOT faithfully reflect the final exposure of your picture.
To me, this "pre-chiming" (as Kirk Tuck calls it) is to me the NUMBER ONE advantage of mirrorless cameras, BY FAR. If you remove that from the equation, there's no compelling reason (for me) to be deprived of fast, continuous AF and all other DSLR goodies. Size/weight reduction is nice, but not closely as crucial as the WYSIWYG approach on the NEX and M4/3.
Boo ooh ohh, I'm so sad. I so wanted to love and use an X-E1.
Looks like I'm back between NEX and m4/3, unless I start looking at Samsung, since I'd rather really stay with APS-C...

I would read post #11 in this thread here...... EVF & LCD display far off from actual exposure... - X100 Discussion - Fuji X Forum

You may still feel the way you do, but in A, S, and P modes the X100 does show the effects in live view of adjusting your exposure compensation dial.

Originally Posted by nianys

Having bought the X10 last week I'm really liking a lot of things about this camera and was eagerly anticipating getting its "big brother", the X-E1, coupled with 35/1.4 as my main portrait tool. After playing extensively with a friend's X100 today (and harassing said friend with phones calls to make sure the erratic behavior or the camera was "normal", lol) it confirmed what's a total deal breaker for me (that already existed in the X10 but that I had forvigen to the "small camera") : no real time live view exposure feedback !!
Both the NEX and m4/3 Pannys I've had will let you chose whether you want the LCD/EVF to faithfully reflect your exposure settings, or not. Like in daylight with no flash I chose to, and in dim light using manual flash, I chose to boost the LCD/EVF to keep it bright to concentrate on composition.
The Fuji's don't do that. They automatically boost or "gain" the LCD/EVF and even if those get a bit brighter/dimmer with exposure setting changes, it does NOT faithfully reflect the final exposure of your picture.
To me, this "pre-chiming" (as Kirk Tuck calls it) is to me the NUMBER ONE advantage of mirrorless cameras, BY FAR. If you remove that from the equation, there's no compelling reason (for me) to be deprived of fast, continuous AF and all other DSLR goodies. Size/weight reduction is nice, but not closely as crucial as the WYSIWYG approach on the NEX and M4/3.
Boo ooh ohh, I'm so sad. I so wanted to love and use an X-E1.
Looks like I'm back between NEX and m4/3, unless I start looking at Samsung, since I'd rather really stay with APS-C...

Between NEX and m43...really? Because of AF I assume? If it's of any interest to you the 1.01 firmware update to the 5n made AF on my Sigma 30 quite a bit faster and more reliable. We're not talking GX1 speeds but I'd say X10-ish speeds. M43 definitely has the better native lens selection but I don't think I could make that step. I would definitely see it as a step backward for the kinds of things I like to do.

Exposure compensation does affect what you see on the EVF or LCD.

BUT the EVF/LCD in the Fuji's are definitely not anywhere close to WYSIWYG. This topic has been discussed before (and complained about by yours truly). So I totally agree with Nianys. Although it was not a deal breaker for me.

Well my problem is... since both GX-1 and NEX bodies get that right (the NEX to perfection) I don't think I want to put up with a body that doest, especially considering "pre chimping" is my N°1 reason to chose mirror less... Bummed :(

LOL -- I remember predicting you'd fall for he Fujifilm ergonomics and colors.
Good thing I'm not a betting man !

Originally Posted by bobbywise

LOL -- I remember predicting you'd fall for he Fujifilm ergonomics and colors.
Good thing I'm not a betting man !

Well Bob as it is I'm soothing my disappointment by fondling the GX-1, lol...

Originally Posted by nianys

Well my problem is... since both GX-1 and NEX bodies get that right (the NEX to perfection) I don't think I want to put up with a body that doest, especially considering "pre chimping" is my N°1 reason to chose mirror less... Bummed :(

Okay...what about the rumored new Pen (E-P5)? I know you don't love the Olympus handling and UI. I feel similarly but I will say that of all the Olympus bodies I have had I thought the E-P3 was the best combination of responsiveness and controls and an E-P5 with IBIS and the Sony sensor from the E-M5 might be a viable option for you. You would likely still not get focus peaking and APS-C cameras would give you better DOF and overall IQ but I have no doubt the AF would be quick and it would have very good AWB and metering (both Olympus strengths). You'd have to deal with the Olympus UI and the controls would probably not be as intuitive as the GX1 (spoken as a former GX1 owner).

Another thought would be a Sony Alpha a57....hear me out. For a DSLR it's light and small. It has a flip up screen, fast AF, focus peaking, image stabilization, more available lenses and most of all they're selling on the Sony site for $550. I'd buy one of these before I'd buy an E-M5. I have a friend that has a Sony Alpha body and loves it.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#313,33

Originally Posted by Armanius

Exposure compensation does affect what you see on the EVF or LCD.

BUT the EVF/LCD in the Fuji's are definitely not anywhere close to WYSIWYG. This topic has been discussed before (and complained about by yours truly). So I totally agree with Nianys. Although it was not a deal breaker for me.

My understanding too is that for ALL cameras the issue is different if you shoot RAW, since the screen shows a jpeg render. Of course, my understanding could well be wrong.

Originally Posted by Pelao

My understanding too is that for ALL cameras the issue is different if you shoot RAW, since the screen shows a jpeg render. Of course, my understanding could well be wrong.

I would neither know nor care, since I never shoot RAW ;) But I understand your well raised point though.