Thread: Finally no big brother to my X10. Here's why...

Originally Posted by Luckypenguin

If shallower depth-of-field is the issue, the 35/1.8 on the Sony is only going to be the tiniest bit better in that regard than the PL 25/1.4.

I'll take any bit of blur I can squeeze out of any system :)

Originally Posted by nianys

I'll take any bit of blur I can squeeze out of any system :)

My goodness, how politically correct!

-Ray

Originally Posted by Ray

My goodness, how politically correct!

-Ray

Ok, I guess I deserved this one, right ?

Originally Posted by nianys

Ok, I guess I deserved this one, right ?

Probably not, but I always feel the need to respond, even with a bit of snark, when someone goes off on m43. I have two current m43 bodies nd have had previous ones (both Oly and Pany), I have an X-Pro, I've had a Nex, and I've shot with quite a few others. It's true that with the old 12mp m43 sensors, there was a notable difference in IQ, DR and low light specifically, between the formats. But with the current generation of sensors, both formats, the differences are minuscule at best. And in terms of narrow DOF, the difference in sensor size is primarily width, due to the 3:2 format vs 4:3 - the difference in the height of the sensors is tiny! I had the Pany 25mm and the Fuji 35mm (both f1.4) and did a bunch of back to back narrow DOF shots with them one day. If I'd shown them to you without labels, I seriously doubt you'd be able to pick out which was which. I was looking for them but evidently didn't keep them once I'd done the test. Bottom line, m43 has reached a level where there's barely any difference between it and APS. Any preferences are just that. I like Oly bodies and don't like Pany bodies, yet my favorite compact by quite a margin is the LX7, so go figure! I don't claim to make any sense....

-Ray

Good news, Ray, concerning my newly developed affection for G3:-)
I'll have to research what exact generation of sensor it actually has.
I think I've read that GX1 has newer sensor than G3, but will have to verify that also.

Nyanis, muchas gracias for compliments, although it's a massive exaggeration.
Many people can pull a rabbit from the cell-hat; for example BBW is well known here for her great moody iphonographs.

Originally Posted by pictogramax

Good news, Ray, concerning my newly developed affection for G3:-)
I'll have to research what exact generation of sensor it actually has.
I think I've read that GX1 has newer sensor than G3, but will have to verify that also.

The G3 and GX1 have the same sensor, which is a very good one, but not quite up to the current top of the line, which is found in the GH3, OMD, EPL5, and EPM2. The best before that was the one found in the GH2 and G5. And just shy of that are the G3 and GX1. But ALL of these 16mp sensors mentioned are very good without a lot of difference between them. All are vastly better than the old 12mp sensor found in all Panasonic bodies before the GH2 (and a couple after it) and all Olympus bodies prior to the OMD. I shot with a G3 for a few days a little over a year ago and it wasn't all that much to my taste, but that sensor has NOTHING to apologize for!

-Ray

Even better! Thanks!

Ray, I still think I might be able to tell the m4/3 from the APS-C, but I might be wrong, too

Thing is, some folks are more sensitive than others to DOF minimal differences. I happen to be the overly sensitive type. No offense implied to any format !

I have given up being a defender of the faith. I used to care that folks did or didn't like my particular format or brand but those days are long gone. I make my choices based on whether or not the camera makes it simpler for me to make images. I think if a particular camera, lens or what-have-you catches your attention and it suits you then grab it.