Thread: That's a lot of used XPro1's in Amazon

I counted 14 used XPro1's on sale by Amazon Warehouse, and another 3 from third party vendors selling through Amazon. Unfortunately, the used prices aren't all that great (yet), specially given that (I assume) there's no manufacturer's warranty for used stuff. Prices now are $150 off retail for "like new" and $170 off for "very good".

I think if Fuji had released the Xpro1 without the aperture chatter, the return rate would have been lower. Just my thought given that the aperture chatter was the reason I returned it. Now that the aperture chatter has been resolved thanks to the firmware upgrade, I'll be re-getting it at some point in time. But it'll have to wait, b/c I have the OMD in my hands.

What's the warranty on the new X-Pro1s?

I would feel better about buying an out of warranty X-Pro1 (2nd owner) than a X100, but I still think it would have to be a 20% savings, at least, on a body for me to go for a used version. Too much depreciation and risk on electronic bodies.

for $50 you could buy a square trade one year warranty ................ Amazon.com: SquareTrade One-Year Open-Box Electronics Warranty: Open-Box Items $200-$2000: Electronics . 20% might be a tipping point for a lot of people. I'll bet by Christmas, you'll see used ones in the neighborhood of $1300 for the body...... there's just way too many cameras coming out (and their return policy is too liberal).

I bet its not the aperture chatter, at least not primarily. I think a lot of people bought that camera based on the idea alone, much like happened with the X100 a year before. For lots of folks who had a pretty good idea what they were getting, it was a perfect fit. But for a LOT of people who were coming from a DSLR or other modern camera that's pretty easy to learn to use, the X-100 and X-Pro both came as a real shock, and not a pleasant one. I saw exactly the same series of questions all over the Fuji Forum on DPR after the X Pro came out as after the X100 came out - TONS of questions about parallax and how do you focus this damn thing? What do you mean you can't use the OVF for macro shots? What do you mean it can't continually AF brilliantly at the fastest burst rate? Stuff like that. People with very little idea of the tradeoffs associate with the OVF and who may have been using CDAF for the first time. There was a wave of the same thing with both cameras and a lot of returns and for sale signs came up early. That combined with the high price of the X-Pro 1 probably means fewer people are willing to hang with it and put in the time to get really comfortable with it. The sales don't surprise me in the least. A year later, there's a big group of X100 owners who stayed with it who love their cameras. In a year, I suspect there will be with the X-Pro also, although likely smaller because of the system nature and the higher price of admission. I just think this is the kind of camera that's not for everyone and it takes some folks a while to figure out that its not for them. When they do, the cameras either go back or up for sale if the return period is over. And many of the used deals on Amazon may have been from returned cameras rather than FSBO just using Amazon instead of ebay...

-Ray

Fuji X10 has the same deal. Maybe Fuji uses Amazon to move open box/warranty returns??

Glad I don't spend as much time in DPR anymore!

Originally Posted by Armanius

Glad I don't spend as much time in DPR anymore!

Ray is still there, fighting the good fight!

Ray - man, you have a lot of patience for DPR hijinks. Oh yeah, and the X-Pro1 can't take a sharp picture to save its life!

Originally Posted by krugorg

Oh yeah, and the X-Pro1 can't take a sharp picture to save its life!

I saw those posts. Except for the Ricoh forum, I normally stay away from DPR. But I stumbled on there today and ran across the sharpness-in-a-test-picture-is-everything people. Anyone who claims that the XP1 is not sharp clearly has never shot with one!

But I have it from a trusted source that the XP1 RAW files are proving very difficult to unscramble for third party support.

Originally Posted by krugorg

Ray is still there, fighting the good fight!

Ray - man, you have a lot of patience for DPR hijinks. Oh yeah, and the X-Pro1 can't take a sharp picture to save its life!

I'm still there but I don't fight that hard anymore. Usually just a post or two per stupid thread, just to remind folks the threads are stupid. Terry has really been duking it out lately, though, taking on the worst of the idiots, post by post. I don't have that kind of patience, but I still find enough useful not to abandon the place completely.

-Ray

Originally Posted by Ray

I bet its not the aperture chatter, at least not primarily. I think a lot of people bought that camera based on the idea alone, much like happened with the X100 a year before. For lots of folks who had a pretty good idea what they were getting, it was a perfect fit. But for a LOT of people who were coming from a DSLR or other modern camera that's pretty easy to learn to use, the X-100 and X-Pro both came as a real shock, and not a pleasant one. I saw exactly the same series of questions all over the Fuji Forum on DPR after the X Pro came out as after the X100 came out - TONS of questions about parallax and how do you focus this damn thing? What do you mean you can't use the OVF for macro shots? What do you mean it can't continually AF brilliantly at the fastest burst rate? Stuff like that. People with very little idea of the tradeoffs associate with the OVF and who may have been using CDAF for the first time. There was a wave of the same thing with both cameras and a lot of returns and for sale signs came up early. That combined with the high price of the X-Pro 1 probably means fewer people are willing to hang with it and put in the time to get really comfortable with it. The sales don't surprise me in the least. A year later, there's a big group of X100 owners who stayed with it who love their cameras. In a year, I suspect there will be with the X-Pro also, although likely smaller because of the system nature and the higher price of admission. I just think this is the kind of camera that's not for everyone and it takes some folks a while to figure out that its not for them. When they do, the cameras either go back or up for sale if the return period is over. And many of the used deals on Amazon may have been from returned cameras rather than FSBO just using Amazon instead of ebay...

-Ray

I agree with you,all the way