Binoculars anyone?

Andrewteee

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We have quite a few birds around our new'ish house and I'm interested in viewing them closer and learning what they are. It is also sparking an interest in knowing more about the wildlife in Norther California (saw some harbor seal pups a couple of weekends ago), particularly since our kids keep asking questions about the animals. I'm planning on getting some binoculars.

Anyone hear know much about them?

I've done quite a bit of research and I know that like all things optical you get what you pay for. But my questions are more about magnification. For me, and as someone who might start to wear glasses soon, it seems that 7x42 might be my best option, though I wonder if 8x or 10x would be better.

These are for backyard and local use so portability is not a key criteria, not yet anyway.

Any advice?
 
As a bird watcher for over 50 years I've always used 10x, for the last 40 years 10x40 (or 42). It might be that if you restrict your use to the garden that 8x would suit you better, I would suggest that magnification to anyone you does a lot in woodland, they are likely to focus slight quicker, ie with less turns of the focus wheel and since you won't be using them for long distance the 8x magnification shouldn't be too restrictive.

Barrie
 
Thanks Barrie. It seems a lot of birders prefer 10x in order to get closer in for more detail. Just not sure it's the right thing for my first pair. But I would like to avoid a merry go round of trying to find the right pair. We don't seem to have a lot of local options for trying them out. But B&H just extended their return period to 30 days so I might try a couple of different ones.
 
Bins are a matter of much debate ... have a look at the optics forums at birdforum.net, the debates there make the debates on camera forums look a bit tame sometimes ...
If you have strong wrists and a steady pair of hands 10x will be fine ... but if you are like me, and have a struggle to hold things very still, then 8x are better because they are generally lighter; and if your garden is pretty woody I'd even go down to 7x (wider angle of view and usually a bit brighter); I use 8x and sometimes find them a bit narrow when I'm in my local woodland.
There's no substitute for trying a few pairs, in my opinion. If you're going to spend a decent amount of time with them stuck to your face, you want to be sure they are comfortable ...
 
Bins are a matter of much debate ... have a look at the optics forums at birdforum.net, the debates there make the debates on camera forums look a bit tame sometimes ...

That's funny. Never would have imagined birders inciting such debate. But I suppose any interest involving "gear" will raise opinions about said gear!
 
The best glass is a 7x35. This is the best because it's more or less the size/weight of the common 8x30, but with much more light gathering power. Anything over 8x will be very hard to hold steady by hand without having to lean against a support. Thats why the military perfers glasses under 8x mag,..or did until the advent of electronically stabilised models.

If you divide the object lens diameter by the mag you get the size of light cone that a glass transmits,...this is important because the irises in our eyes open wider in low light. A fit young person can have a max iris aperture of 7mm diameter. As we get older our irises are less able to open. An 8x30 only transmits a light cone less than 3.5mm,...but a similar size 7x35 traqnsmits a 5mm cone which helps a lot in low light,..so, althoiugh slightly less powerful (7x rather than 8x) you are able to resolve much more detail.
 
Our pupils in the darkest conditions get to 6 to 7mm. I've actually measured mine in a light polluted city at 4.5mm after adaptation. Anything larger is a wast of aperature for me. My 10x50s are overkill for birding but I use them for astronomy too.
 
I love my Swarovsk EL 8.5X42 binoculars, great for birding very bright and sharp, close focus, light but built like a tank, waterproof only downside is they are not cheap, but they will last forever.
 
A few things about binocular, In no particular order.

The first number is the aperture the second number is the magnification.

If you divide the aperture by the magnification you will get the exit pupil of the binocular. If the exit pupil matched a fully dilated pupil of your eye (7mm) then you will get maximum brightness. This being said a 35 x 5, 50 x 7 and 70 x 10 will all appear to be the same brightness. If you are going to view when light gathering is important this is what you should look for.

Wide angle binoculars are generally easier to use to find birds that are on the move. The downside is wide angle binoculars tend to be soft at the edges. So wide angle are the best bet for finding small birds that are on the fly.

Consider how close the binoculars will focus if you intend to observe birds at a feeder. You will need binoculars that will focus at the feeder distances. I find close focusing good for observing bug.

Once you reach a certain dollar value in binocular you don’t get much better image quality with any more money but you get binoculars that are more comfortable to use over longer periods of time.

There are generally two typed of binoculars the more common is Porro Prism Binoculars and they come full sealed or not sealed. These are the binocular that have the bumps on them. The second type are Roof Prism Binoculars. They look like two telescopes joined together. They are more stylish and more expensive.

You should be able to focus from far to near with ease and not have to spin that center wheel a billion turns. One eyepiece should be adjustable independent of the other.

Eye relief is the distance you hold the binoculars away from your eye and still get full view. This should be sufficient enough to place glasses between you and the binoculars, You may not now need glasses now but what is in the future is unknown. I you don’t have astigmatism you won’t have to wear glasses with your binoculars but you may choose to.

All binoculars are not the same and they must be tested before buying. I picked up a pair of Nikons for my wife and drove the salesman batty as I testing all twelve he had in stock. Nine were good, two were marginal and one was superior. Remember these were all the same model, same price, and same manufacturer.

The first thing to look for is good collimation. That is do both tubes look at the same object equally? Take the outside and look at a very distant bird, on that is a spot. If you look at this bird and see two spots they are not collimated

Next is barrel and pincushion distortion. All binocular have one of these. Take it on you want to buy outside and look a distant straight line. While telephone or power lines are not truly straight you can find an area where they are not bad. Look at they through the binoculars so they are parallel to the ground. In the middle you should see not distortion but a straight line. As you move the line up and down in the binocular field of view it will distort near the edges. It is the degree of distortion that determines the which binocular to buy. Less if good. A wide angle binocular will generally show more distortion that a normal binocular but this is to be expected.

Finally make sure they are multi coated.
 
Actually most of the binoculars in this class cost a lot, but as I said earlier they are a lifetime investment, just do not lose them. Leica 8x42 Ultravid HD, Nikon EDG 8x42, and Zeiss 8x42 Victory T* FL .

There are also a whole bunch of very good but cheaper glass out there too
 
See ... the answer to Andrewteee's post is straightforward ... suitable binoculars are 7x8x10x40x42x50 Zeicarowskikons
 
I worked for two years on a grant funded seabird count in my state and I used a set of Panasonic 10x40 binoculars. They worked great for a variety of situations (and we had to be able to identify bird species at a distance).
 
[Rather than posting this in some more general thread I think it suits best here]

Binoculars are very nice as complement when you are out with your camera. To observe things before you grab the camera. Or when you don't have your camera and just walk around in the nature, or at the zoo, or at the theatre when you got the seats in the back :)

Got myself a new this weekend, the Nikon Monarch M7 8x30, a good compromise for my use. Have before a Bushnell Legend 8x32 which I don't really like so it was replaced now. Also, to complement I have the Olympus DPS 1 10x50 which are great with more stationary use and in bad light.

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Was a little curious as how the light gathering compared to these models, so I shot with camera through the binos in manual mode (ISO 100, 1/20 sec, f/2.8, AWB):

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Quite interesting result and not what I expected. Three things to notice:

1) The Nikon with 30mm lenses are slightly brighter than the Bushnell with 32mm!
2) The Nikon has more barrel distorsion than Bushnell (but when looking deep into this I noticed the difference was not as distinct as seen here)
3) The Olympus has, of course, more light since it has 50mm front lens. 67% bigger lens than the Nikon. (and of course a little more magnification).

Would be interesting to compare with some $15k binoculars. I remember when I was out birding with my boss. I had the Bushnell, he had some very expensive Swarovski, 40 or 42 mm lens, and a collegue had some other cheaper 40/42. There was quite noticable difference between these binos. But whatever, now I feel very happy with my new Nikon. It is convenient size and will serve me well as a general purpose carry binoculars.
 
I have the 8x34 Nitrosport by Helios, a budget brand. Optically definitely better than you'd expect for the 100 euros I paid for them, but the build quality ain't great. After 3 years of (admittedly rough) use, one of the eyecups won't stay in place which is a pain when I'm not wearing glasses. That, and the included strap was awful. But they're pretty bright and the FoV is pretty wide, they're waterproof, and I could spot 2 of Jupiter's moons the other day despite living in a fairly light polluted place. One downside is that they're prone to purple fringing in high contrast situations (branches against clouded sky for instance), more so when I'm really pressing my face against the eyecups.

Once my budget allows, I'd love to get a shirt-pocketable 8x25 or 8x20 by a really high quality brand for hiking (my 8x34's are a bit cumbersome to have around my neck for hours when hiking), and a solid 10x42 or 12x42 for anything not involving long hikes.

I hope the light transmission on high end 8x25's will end up delivering brightness that's similar enough to my budget 8x34's to make twilight viewing in a forest feasible.

And for me, stationary viewing usually occurs in (semi) open spaces, so for the larger binoculars to have a 10x or 12x magnification should be fine, especially if they have some weight to counter hand jitter.
 
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I have some small Olympus that are very nice, but I'd chose Nikon with ED glass if starting again
That glass is worth it. In low light it shows.
I've had various Nikon total stations (electronic distance measurement) and they stand out in clarity compared to other makes.
Their use in poor light makes the difference between seeing and not seeing.
It's worth paying extra for decent glass.
 
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