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50mm compact?

Discussion in 'Open Gear Talk' started by stillshunter, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    I posted a thread earlier asking about the companionship or rivalry of the X100s and GR. As the GR bends to my will a little more, or is that visa versa :wink: it's got me thinking a little more about compact kit. A nice compliment to 28mm to my thinking is probably 50mm (or thereabouts) - well this aint new news and the old ones who came before us spoke stories of the same. So I'm curious as to the modern serious compacts that fill that 'standard' niche.

    So far all I can find in a fixed lens is the Sigma DP2M; and kudos to Sigma for going the fixed lens!!!

    Or is there a camera I've overlooked?

    Otherwise, when it comes to the clip-ons there seems to be:
    - Ricoh GXR w/- 50mm macro lensor
    - Fuji (XPro1 or XE1) w/- XF 35/1.4
    - any mu43 with PL25/1.4

    Hmmm, what would marry best with the GR?
    (Not that my X100s is at risk, just curious :blush:)
     
  2. pictogramax

    pictogramax SC Top Veteran

    978
    Aug 18, 2011
    Belgrade, Serbia
    Sigma DP2 in plain or S/X/M variant?
     
  3. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    There is no great compact 50mm kit, IMO. There are good ones, but not great ones. I'd like an X100 w/ a 50mm.
     
  4. ReD

    ReD SC Hall of Famer

    Mar 27, 2013
    are there any converter lenses?
     
  5. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    A hole in the market? If so, is there just not the demand? Maybe the world will catch up with Sigma thinking one day -well now have APS-C (and bigger) sensor fixed lens compacts - and produce a fixed lens line-up: wide/normal/short tele.
    Kudos again to Sigma. Now if only the Foveon sensor could handle low light and the UI wasn't so clunky (loved my DP2s but found the process of extracting them sometimes a little painful).
     
  6. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    Only wider - to 21mm - I believe.
     
  7. donlaw

    donlaw SC All-Pro

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    My vote would would go for the OMD with 25mm f1.4, beautiful results. But, not all that compact.
     
  8. aleksanderpolo

    aleksanderpolo SC Regular

    112
    Apr 18, 2013
    Polo
    The PL25/1.4 and XF35/1.4 are about the same size and pretty big compared to GR and x100s.

    Compact Camera Meter

    Not sure how big the 50 module is. If AF is not important one consideration is ZM35/2.8 + mirrorless (GXR-M, NEX, etc)

    I pair my GR with GXR+ZM50 for people shots.
     
  9. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Those Sigmas are pretty amazing. The processing was too big a pain in the dupa for me so I had to let it go. But there were still some shots that haunt my dreams. Just effing ridiculous gobs of detail. Anyone who enjoys pixel peeping should own one..... at least once. I think 2 compacts with 2 frequently used focal lengths (aka, a bag of compacts) is where it's it. Changing lenses is sooooo last year. The GXR with 50mm lensor gave me nothing but great shots. Ricoh may surprise us and make a GR 50mm since they seem to have ditched the GXR. Imagine your joy if you could have 2 GRs....one a 28 and one a 50mm?
     
  10. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    A Samsung NX200/210/300 with the 30mm f/2 pancake would be the most compact ~50mm ILC combination I could think of. Optically it's as least as good as the Panasonic Leica 25mm f/1.4 Micro 4/3 lens whilst being much smaller, but lacks the AF speed of that lens and there is no camera body that it can be mounted on that has IBIS.
     
  11. pictogramax

    pictogramax SC Top Veteran

    978
    Aug 18, 2011
    Belgrade, Serbia
    And then there's any Nex body with 35mm f1.8 OSS lens.
     
  12. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    I hear ya. I'd only go an ILC from necessity and to weld a lens up front.
    A man can dream. And I would buy!
    But this seems a departure from Ricoh's GR philosophy. Hmmmm...maybe they need to add a little GL (roman numeral for 50...not that I have any idea what the "G", nor the "R" for that matter, stands for?) thinking to their repertoire.
     
  13. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    Had the PL25 and loved it. But the form factor is just not there. In addition to the net size, the lens blossoms with a hood so add a 2x factor and now we have an appreciation of its gross size :eek:
     
  14. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    hoods are for sweatshirts......embrace the flare.
     
  15. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    Hey dude I'm the Gold's Gym sleeveless (unwashed and at the bottom of the stinky bag) of flare.
     
  16. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I thought so, so don't sweat the hood. But you're right, the PL25 is a big honker without the hoodie.
     
  17. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    Well the more I dig the more I'm thinking there's a pretty big gap in the market here. There's the DP2 and that's it in fixed lens. The GXR 50mm doesn't get much glow and what's left starts getting pretty hefty - though Nic's Sammy is close form factor-wise. In mu43 you have to get back to the P20 to go micro, and now we are back to almost 35mm and the X100s. And so the carousel keeps a spinning...
     
  18. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    I always tended to equate the Panasonic 20mm as being a long wide-angle lens rather than being in the range of a normal (~50mm) lens.
     
  19. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    Agreed.
     
  20. Livnius

    Livnius SC Veteran

    475
    Jun 3, 2012
    Melbourne. Australia
    Joe
    I'd sell the Crown Jewels for a Fuji X100-like or Ricoh GR-like 50mm/f2....however, I'd sell the Crown Jewels, the RX1, the PL25 and get another credit card if need be for a CZ50mm/f2 RX2.

    As it stands, the quite excellent PL25+OMD does the job...and then some.