Canon EOS-M Mirrorless Digital Camera with EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Lens

Discussion in 'Open Gear Talk' started by Ray Sachs, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    The Canon EOS-M Mirrorless Digital Camera with EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Lens is available at B&H at what I think is a reduced price:

    8644052560_ed700cdcec_o.

    Also, a quick notice on my part. Some of you may have noticed I've been posting some B&H links and announcements lately here and on Amin's other forums. A few of you have asked if I'm affiliated with B&H, so I thought I'd let you know what's going on - I've mentioned it once or twice but not in threads many people will see. I'm not directly affiliated with B&H, but Amin and the forums are. As part of this relationship, B&H often makes review copies of cameras available for loan - because I had been informally writing my reactions to various cameras over the past few years, Amin offered to include me in that loaner program so I could try out more gear and continue to write about it. As part of that arrangement, I also get all of B&H's announcements and emails and because I'm grateful to have the opportunity to try out new cameras, I offered to help Amin out by posting some of these if I get to them first or when he doesn't have the time. So, that's the connection. I do get review cameras from B&H because Amin offered to include me in that program and I sometimes post B&H notices. That's the extent of it...


    -Ray Sachs
     
  2. john m flores

    john m flores SC All-Pro

    Aug 13, 2012
  3. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    how about, never... haha

    There's Sigma DP slow, to get the incredible low ISO IQ. There's Fuji slow to get the shooting experience. Then there's DSLR-live-view-slow for that EOS-M experience. Not safe at any speed!
    I'll see what the M-2 has to offer.
     
  4. entropic remnants

    entropic remnants SC All-Pro

    Mar 3, 2013
    John Griggs
    I can't believe Canon designed that camera. It's got laughable autofocus and how could Canon ever make such a thing?

    It's not like the Nikon 1 which was a bold -- though perhaps -- misguided move. And actually the Nikon 1 is a great performer in several areas including autofocus. But it just makes no sense that they'd make and release a camera with such a poorly working autofocus system and standard crop frame quality. Wow.
     
  5. Andrewteee

    Andrewteee SC All-Pro

    Jul 8, 2010
    Goodbye EOS-M...
     
  6. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    All I can think of is the The Camera Store video!!

    "Check out my large sensor!"
     
  7. lenshoarder

    lenshoarder SC Veteran

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    Mar 7, 2012
  8. TraamisVOS

    TraamisVOS SC Hall of Famer

    Nov 29, 2010
    Melboune, Australia
    There are some real duds working at Canon.
     
  9. zapatista

    zapatista SC Regular

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    Jul 28, 2012
    Denver, Colorado
    Mike
    Ok, so I'm gonna defend the 22mm f2, though not the body. It's a great little lens on a crap body. Good resolution and now cheap as hell. It's the equal of the Sony-Zeiss 24mm f1.8 at 1/6 the price and 1/3 the size.
     
  10. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    "Put that lens back on the mount!!!"
     
  11. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    "Hey. my cousin Q is coming over"
     
  12. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Actually, I wish I could get that lens for the 100D!
     
  13. madmaxmedia

    madmaxmedia SC Veteran

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Or another mirrorless mount maybe. I guess at least Canon did one thing right-
     
  14. zapatista

    zapatista SC Regular

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    Jul 28, 2012
    Denver, Colorado
    Mike
    The kit zoom is pretty decent too.
     
  15. MitchGtz

    MitchGtz New to SC

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    Jan 31, 2013
    I maintain that if the autofocus was better, the camera wound have been successful. It isn't a bad camera, with the EOS lenses it can take some stunning images but just not quickly.
     
  16. Isoterica

    Isoterica SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 6, 2011
    Is that something they can tweak with software or is it inhibited by the hardware?
     
  17. bartjeej

    bartjeej SC Hall of Famer

    Nov 12, 2010
    bart
    ^I think that would depend on the cause of the slow autofocus. For quick autofocus, the sensor needs to be read at a high frequency (not all sensors are capable of that; IIRC, Olympus mentioned a fast sensor readout time as one of the reasons of the OM-D5's quick AF), the software needs to interpret the data quickly enough, the focusing motor needs to move quickly and the glass needs to be of a design that allows for efficient movement in order to focus.

    The EOS M's AF has been compared to the EOS 600D or 650D's focusing performance when using Live View. Those DSLR's are capable of quick focusing when using their standard mirror / PDAF method, so if the EOS M's slow focussing has the same cause, I guess it's either the sensor readout time or the software that's just not up to scratch (yet).
     
  18. entropic remnants

    entropic remnants SC All-Pro

    Mar 3, 2013
    John Griggs
    That makes a lot of sense. I was wondering why, with all the negative press, they haven't just tweaked the firmware to fix the problem. But if the sensor can't feed data fast enough, that would limit the maximum autofocus speed and in fact trying to speed it up would make it hunt unmercifully... oh, wait, that appears to be what it does, lol.
     
  19. Gary

    Gary SC All-Pro

    Aug 19, 2012
    Southern California
    Gary Ayala
    It was made by a committee. A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
     
  20. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    One of the posters in another forum I hang out on insists that Canon is well behind the times with its sensors. I dont know if thats the case, but it could explain this. He says Canon continues to use sensor tech it was using 5-6 years ago.