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Does your camera's flaws, shortcomings and quirks...

Discussion in 'The Watering Hole' started by Yeats, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. Yeats

    Yeats SC All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Chris
    .. actually inspire you? Or, at least, can you simply acknowledge them and move on, and not be frustrated?

    Prior to my Panny LX5, I had a DSLR with lenses which covered the 35mm FOV equivalent of 22-750mm, and some pretty nice glass, including the Pentax DA 15mm Limited. And yet, somehow I've managed not only to gain satisfaction from the less-refined tonality and rendering of the LX5, I actually get a chuckle out of such flaws as the "Panasonic Pixie", which is the name I've given to the blue dot and accompanying rainbow artifact as demonstrated in the following pic:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/yeatsy/8186487345/" title="brook near musconetcong river P1040560 by Yeatsy, on Flickr">"1024" height="768" alt="brook near musconetcong river P1040560"></a>

    How 'bout y'all?
     
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  2. thekeddi

    thekeddi SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 15, 2011
    South Australia
    I like some of the flaws in cameras myself, it makes each photo unique and different, I'm a bit sick of the photo has to be perfect thing these days. Give me different!
     
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  3. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    That's a beautiful scene, Yeats - and thanks for bringing up this topic of conversation, as well.

    I'd be upset having lens flairs, etc., if they happened often or ruined it for me. I love both my X100 and X10. I also have gotten photos that I love with my iPhone. I think for me it's about the art and what the image says to me...of course I like to hope that someone else might see what I saw, or feel what I felt...but there are no guarantees about that. I had to laugh the other day - there are always going to be nitpickers who will tell you your sky is the wrong color or you've got washed out highlights... The heck with them - if I feel good about my pix with whatever camera I've used then I'm a happy camper.

    Cameras are like people - none of 'em are perfect but "love" (do we really love our cameras???) is what makes the world a good place to be.:wink:

    How's that for stream of consciousness, Yeats?:biggrin:
     
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  4. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I understand that some "flaws" or quirks can make some upset or cause you to miss a shot or not capture it the way one wants to, but I never let imperfect tools be an excuse. It is the camera operators job to understand their cameras as best they can and work with it to the best of their skill level.

    Technically perfect shots are lovely, but seeing the character of the lens or camera or film is also something I enjoy. I stand by the notion that a great shot is a great shot. The shot above is great....Panasonic Pixie or not. I don't think it makes it better or worse (obviously personal taste may differ), but the composition and the scene and the light are what make it great. It would be a fine photo on a cell phone or a Hasselblad, too.
     
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  5. pictogramax

    pictogramax SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 18, 2011
    Belgrade, Serbia
    My camera is perfect, but I have plenty of all you mentioned. So in the end I get similar results:)
     
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  6. Yeats

    Yeats SC All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Chris
    Sometimes I wonder if we are all "doomed" to eventually own perfectly sterile photographic equipment.

    That's a fair bit to digest, BB! :biggrin:

    Any photos I've sold or used for vaguely commercial purposes have never begun life with that intent, it's always been an accident of circumstance when someone likes my pics enough to slip me a few dead presidents for 'em. I agree soooo much with what you've typed, not only is it important to me that I enjoy my own photography, but I also need to be able to enjoy and laugh at my own - and my camera's - quirks. Somehow, that enriches my life.

    "It is the camera operators job to understand their cameras as best they can and work with it to the best of their skill level." - I couldn't agree more, Luke. In my previous life as Pentax user, on their forum my sig line was, "A bad photographer blames his equipment; a good photographer credits his."

    That's the spirit! :biggrin: For me, it's the striving, the journey, which matters even more than the destination (although that's important, too!)
     
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  7. Lieven

    Lieven SC Regular

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    Jul 5, 2012
    Italy
    Just you wait until all Sigma DP owners start complaining/praising about theirs cams. This thread will never end :biggrin:
     
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  8. Isoterica

    Isoterica SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 6, 2011
    There isn't likely one photography master from the past or even today that would say that any given camera is THE perfect camera. They might say that a camera suits them for what they do or even admit they have bonded to it however technology is technology and while the perceived handicaps of yesteryear have been improved on [if you can say Ansel Adams or Henri Cartier-Bresson were handicapped] nothing seems to be as good as the human eye for telling a story. The genius is in making what you have work, utilizing what you feel are it's flaws and recreating the story you see allowing others to see and feel it as well. Even in the case of a marred lens that flares or expired film that shows more cyan when developed there is a story being told both from within the camera and beyond it. For me, the older cameras are like taking a step back in time.. and the newer cameras that have their quirks, a way of melding the past and the present with sweet savory imperfection.
     
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  9. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    Yeats, I hope we meet up in real life at some point...and in the meantime, I'm awfully glad you're a member here at SC. I love your outlook on things.

    As a matter of fact, I'll just add in a :grouphug: for everyone here. Although I haven't been very involved in the past 6 months...there's no place like home, and I always feel better after checking in.
     
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  10. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that they inspire me, but I do think that I look at flaws or characteristics as things to catalogue for future reference so as to avoid them (in situations where they might be destructive) or utilise them (in situations where they might add a nice effect).

    The way that my G1X draws "sunstars" comes to mind

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  11. Isoterica

    Isoterica SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 6, 2011
    I like the star Nic!
     
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  12. Kin Lau

    Kin Lau SC Regular

    57
    Oct 23, 2012
    Something that has interested me, is tin types and wet plates. The image is typically flawed in a very obvious way due to the manual process, but that's all part of the charm.
     
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  13. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    Interesting how non-digital images are now so often seen as "flawed" - as if digital images are somehow more perfect.
     
  14. Gary

    Gary SC All-Pro

    Aug 19, 2012
    Southern California
    Gary Ayala
    As a former professional, I may see the camera differently than a non-professional. To me the camera was a tool. The better the tool, the easier it was to do my job. My assignment was to get "The Shot" (period). My editors didn't give a rat's about equipment shortcomings. If all I had was excuses in lieu of The Shot, if I was scooped by the competition, I'd get fired. If my equipment had shortcomings which made my ability to get The Shot impossible, I was too busy working around the shortcoming to be frustrated or inspired ... I had a Shot to get and a deadline to meet.

    Gary
     
  15. thekeddi

    thekeddi SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 15, 2011
    South Australia
    I almost see the photographers "Work" as a shame in some ways, most of them do it because they love it but when it turns around and becomes a chore I think I would have to give it up?
     
  16. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    Thanks, me too! I just have to make sure not to overuse it.
     
  17. Isoterica

    Isoterica SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 6, 2011
    When my photoblogging became requests and performance art I gave it up.. between that and all the falsities I got burnt out. Just getting close to where I might actually blog again. I am happiest when it's about, in this case, me.


    I would probably have to do it.. a lot, to get it out of my system first because that just looks awesome to me. I mean I went out and bought a star filter when I first started shooting dslr. Christmas was especially fun with that. Make sure to do that on the holidays for that little bit of magic, I would love to see!
     
  18. Gary

    Gary SC All-Pro

    Aug 19, 2012
    Southern California
    Gary Ayala
    As least you're honest about it. lol
     
  19. Isoterica

    Isoterica SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 6, 2011
    Photography for me is a way to express what I see.. a sharing of my perspective. When it ceases to be about me, again in this case as I am not a self absorbed kind of persona, the photos lose their meaning. SO yeahhh if it's no fun.. I don't wanna do it. I am honest ;)
     
  20. Yeats

    Yeats SC All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Chris
    So rumor has it... I hope to read some anecdotes here! :biggrin:

    I think we are living in an age of the "appliance-ification" of technology... some folks seem to expect their technomongery to produce what they want, not what they input.

    Hugs are good, as are :drinks:... has there ever been a Serious Compacts meetup? It seems that there is a handful of us in fairly close proximity.

    I think that looks outstanding!

    I think, though, that it is inherent in the process. IMHO, there is a difference between a limitation and a "flaw".

    I think that may be so because there are so many more options immediately available in the digital world. But there are many "flaws" discussed with digital, too, particularly noise WRT small-sensor cameras.

    Gary, I think the same could be said of any tool; there are no excuses if the tool can be made to work, somehow. Ye even in those kinds of situation, for some (perhaps odd) reason, I occasionally feel inspired by "substandard" tools - I think my ingenuity and determination are challenged.

    I would, and I have, and not just in photography.

    :thumbup:
     
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