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Fuji X100 Black

Discussion in 'Fuji Forum' started by BillN, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. BillN

    BillN SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    Bill
    I do not have one but I have just noticed that reputable UK camera suppliers are selling the X100 Black at £700.
    The Camera has a Retail price of £1,300 and is for sale on Amazon at that price

    Why are they been sold off at such a high discount?
     
  2. Yeats

    Yeats SC All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Chris
    The X100 has been superseded by the new X100s.
     
  3. BillN

    BillN SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    Bill
    Thanks

    Is the X100s so much better

    does it have the same lens?

    sorry for the questions I am looking for a "back up' for my M8

    presumably that's a good price for a X100, (i.e. just over 50% of original SP)
     
  4. christilou

    christilou SC Hall of Famer

    Jul 13, 2010
    Sunny Frimley
    The black price takes into account the extra bits and bobs, I believe that the "standard" X100 silver is even cheaper.
     
  5. Yeats

    Yeats SC All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Chris
    Don't be sorry... :smile:

    This past month, I've seen many used X100 go for ~ $700 USD; as you've noted that's close to half price.

    Hopefully someone who's used both will chime in.

    Here's what DPReview said in their preview:

    When Fujifilm announced its FinePix X100 retro-styled compact at Photokina 2010, it instantly captured the imagination of serious photographers. With its fixed 23mm F2 lens and SLR-sized APS-C sensor, it offered outstanding image quality, while its 'traditional' dial-based handling and innovative optical/electronic 'Hybrid' viewfinder gave a shooting experience reminiscent of rangefinder cameras. On launch its firmware was riddled with frustrating bugs and quirks, but a series of updates transformed it into a serious photographic tool. Certain flaws remained, apparently too deeply embedded into the hardware to be fixable, but despite this, it counts as something of a cult classic.

    The X100S sees Fujifilm revisiting the concept, but while the external design is essentially unchanged, it's a very different camera inside. It uses a 16.3MP X-Trans CMOS sensor similar to that seen in the interchangeable lens X-Pro1 and X-E1 models, but now with on-chip phase detection promising much-improved autofocus speed. This is supported by a new processor, the 'EXR Processor II', which includes a new 'Lens Modulation Optimiser' function. According to Fujifilm this 'overcomes' lens aberrations such as diffraction and peripheral aberrations, and should give improved image quality at the largest and smallest apertures. The electronic viewfinder has been upgraded to a higher-resolution 2.35M dot display (from 1.44M dot); however this isn't the OLED unit used in the X-E1, but an LCD instead.

    Two additional manual focus aids are available when using the EVF or LCD - a focus 'peaking' display that outlines in-focus elements, and an all-new 'Digital Split Image focusing' display that uses phase detection data from the sensor, and is designed to offer a similar experience to manual focus film cameras. In addition, the sensor on the manual focus ring has been upgraded to detect movement with greater precision - which Fujifilm says will make the dial more responsive.

    The user interface gains all the improvements Fujifilm has made in its X-series cameras over the past few years, including an onscreen 'Q' menu to access major settings, and a much-improved tabbed menu system. We haven't yet seen a fully working camera (this first look is based on an early example Fujifilm showed us in December, which also had non-finalised rear controls), but on paper the X100S certainly has the potential to be very special indeed.
    Fujifilm X100S key features

    Fujifilm-designed 16.3MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS II sensor
    On-sensor phase detection autofocus
    Novel colour filter array to suppress colour moiré, no optical low-pass filter
    EXR Processor II image processor
    Hybrid optical / electronic viewfinder with 2.35M dot LCD EVF
    Analogue dials for shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation
    Fixed 23mm F2 lens (same as X100)
    Improved manual focus system (more responsive focus ring, focus peaking and split-image displays)
    2.8" 460k dot LCD
    On-screen 'Q' control panel and tabbed menu system
    Full HD 1080/60fps movie recording, 36Mbps bitrate
    Socket for electronic remote release/stereo microphone

    Aside from these headline features, Fujifilm is promising a whole host of smaller tweaks and improvements covering every aspect of the camera's design and operation - no fewer than 70 in total. Many of these address bugs and quirks highlighted by users and reviewers, demonstrating once again Fujifilm's laudable desire to listen to feedback and learn from it. Some controls have been subtly tweaked, movie mode is much improved, and small but important operability issues addressed - for example the live histogram now works correctly in manual exposure mode. We'll cover these in detail on the next page.
     
  6. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Here's more than you wanted from a bit I wrote on the Xspots forum...

    Fuji X100s - one more "first impression" post...

    -Ray
     
  7. BillN

    BillN SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    Bill
    Thanks Ray, I carn't cope with all this technical stuff - has anyone compared the IQ of the 100 v 100s at normal sizes

    50% is a lot to drop if the 100s is a replacement for the 100
     
  8. ean10775

    ean10775 SC Regular

    159
    Feb 25, 2013
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Eric
    I don't think that it ends up being that one is better than the other as much as they are just different seeing as that while they use the same lens they employ different sensors. Some say the X100 has a more 'organic' or 'filmlike' look although many praise the X-Trans sensors (like the one in the X100S) for being able to output very 'filmlike' files. In my opinion they're both equally good at lower ISOs, though the IQ of the X100S wins at higher ISOs. The X100S images may look slightly more detailed sue to the lack of an AA filter and the slightly higher resolution.
     
  9. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    My X100 is for sale in our forum! Hint hint! :)
     
  10. BillN

    BillN SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    Bill
    I'm over here and you are over there

    The UK nasty men on the "customs" post grab at least 20% - then there are the guys who work out how much you have to pay in duties who charge you a fee for adding 1+1 which is almost as much as you have to pay in duty - then there are the postal authorities who take their cut for throwing the package around before they get it to you.

    You guys in the US do not realise how much us Brits pay in taxes to support the enormous "welfare benefits" that are paid to the unemployed, the idle and the scroungers that there are in the UK., (Sorry for my rant!!!)

    - I think I'll emigrate - Oh! I think that I have - but the French are worse!!!!!!
     
  11. porchard

    porchard SC Veteran

    344
    Feb 24, 2013
    Devon, UK
    Otherwise known as "Bankers".
     
  12. BillN

    BillN SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    Bill
  13. Yeats

    Yeats SC All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Chris
    That is a very good price. I was semi-seriously looking at the X100 just prior to my purchase of the K01 last month. Had you been selling your X100 then, I'd probably have bought it.
     
  14. porchard

    porchard SC Veteran

    344
    Feb 24, 2013
    Devon, UK
  15. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    I wouldn't let the facts get in the way of a rant, bill, do carry on
     
  16. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Bill, that's exactly what I'd have said about the IQ differences. They're there, but they're not huge. And mostly subjective except for the somewhat better low light performance of the X100s. The bigger differences are operational, where I'd say the X100s is a fairly big step forward. Some of the improvements (AF speed for example) have been overstated, but the whole package just holds together a lot better operationally than the X100.

    -Ray
     
  17. BillN

    BillN SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    Bill
    you know it's not allowed Paul, so don't encourage me
    anyway there is a pair of Linnets starting to nest in the garden which are far more worthy of my attention ...... hope they stay as they are a little camera shy at the moment
     
  18. NathanJ

    NathanJ SC Regular

    96
    Sep 18, 2012
    Bill, as a back up to your M8 I think either would fit the bill. As you will be used to manual focusing then the X100s may suit better. Unless you are happy to zone focus in which case the X100 would do.

    I do not think there is enough difference in image quality between the two. The only reason I would consider upgrading from my X100 is the supposed faster autofocus.

    £700 for the black limited edition X100 is a steal. If you didn't get on with it after a couple of months, I can't imagine you would lose much on ebay if you sold it.
     
  19. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    I was pleasantly surprised that we can actually get gadgets from other countries into the US without paying customs.

    By the way, when are we having the SC.com outing in your place? I'll bring the X100 with me.

    I actually used the X100 over the weekend, and was reminded of its great IQ. And the not always accurate AF. But when it comes to form factor and VF, I love it!
     
  20. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack