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I would like to hear from photographers who purchased the X100 and then got rid of it

Discussion in 'Fuji X Forum' started by Jock Elliott, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. Jock Elliott

    Jock Elliott SC All-Pro

    Jan 3, 2012
    Troy, NY
    With the price drop, I've been tempted, but I fear it may be too idiosyncratic for me to tolerate.

    I'd like to hear from those who gave up on this camera and why.
     
  2. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    I gave up on it because I got the X-Pro and after keeping both for a while, I wasn't using the X-100, so I couldn't justify keeping it. But I loved it. On some level I'd like to have another, but it had a couple of quirks I didn't like, so I'd probably like an X200 more. But with the X-Pro line continuing to develop, I doubt I'll ever get another of whichever generation.

    Its not so much that its quirky that tends to bug people I don't think. But its a slower and more deliberate camera than a lot of modern cameras. And there are a number of features that you really have to think about how to best use to get the most out of the camera. The menus were initially pretty confusing but they've boiled most of that out of them with firmware updates. Its mostly that the shooting experience is more like an old film camera - its slower and more deliberate and it doesn't do a lot of fancy tricks like a lot of today's cameras will do. And working with the OVF is an acquired skill and preference that's inherently less precise than EVF's or a DSLR OVF and some people just couldn't abide that. Others of us LOVE that. I think it would be very hard to know whether you'd be one of the people who would love it or one who would hate it without trying one for a while. For every reaction of "I wanted to love this camera but I just couldn't get there", I've read at LEAST as many from folks who finally tried it and said something like "quirks?!?!? WHAT quirks??? - I LOVE this camera!". There's just no way to predict.

    -Ray
     
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  3. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Ray is right on the money. I bought it and was initially exasperated by it and sold it quite quickly. a few weeks later I had some sellers remorse looking back at some of the files I had sitting around. My other cameras couldn't do that. I re-bought and has Ray has pointed out, a lot of the "quirks" have been solved. I have never thought it was really slow, but I came to it from m43 cameras which weren't blazing fast at the time either.

    If you are a more methodical photographer, it MAY be a good match. But it's so different in use from others modern digital cameras that I'd hate to recommend it to anyone. It does seem very much like a love it or leave it camera. Not too many people are ambivalent about it. Is it possible for you to handle one locally? Better yet would be to rent one for a weekend so you can start to get used to it before you decide.
     
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  4. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    I've also been considering one because of the silent shutter.

    How's shooting from the LCD? I would use this with family and kids, and would be doing quite a bit of LCD shooting indoors.
     
  5. winginkris

    winginkris SC Veteran

    315
    Dec 15, 2011
    I loved mine and the image quality it produced for such a small camera are outstanding. I got rid of mine ONLY because I wanted more flexibility with focal lengths and I'm trying to keep just one camera(otherwise I would have kept it). When the x-pro came out the x-100 when up for sale. Sure, it's a little quirky, but nothing that ever got in the way or made me regret owning one. As Ray said, it's a more deliberate style of shooting as is the x-pro, but this is how I grew up with photography, taking a little more time to think things through before pressing the shutter. The x-100 got me interested in taking photos again as I felt more involved with the process, the only thing that made me switch was the lack of flexibility, otherwise I love the x-100. Maybe try renting one for a couple of days?
     
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  6. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    IMHO, this would be like driving a Porsche with an automatic transmission. The LCD works fine, but I can't see why I would ever use it instead of the OVF/EVF, but YMMV.
     
  7. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    For those who moved to the xPro series, do you find them "less quirky" than the x100 (understanding this is a subjective assessment).
     
  8. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Think floor level shots without getting on your belly.
     
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  9. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    gotcha....it's fine for that.
     
  10. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
    I shoot with the LCD when I do the occasional movie, or when I need my arms extended (floor, up over a fence, etc.) It's big and bright, and you can configure it with as much / little info as you want, including none. LCD shooting isn't gonna be a problem.
     
  11. adanac

    adanac SC Veteran

    386
    Sep 30, 2011
    Vancouver, BC
    I had one for several months and used it extensively, parking all my other cameras aside. One month of its time with me was on a long vacation trip - it was, quirks and actual problems aside - a great carry everywhere camera and I miss it, a little, for that reason. Then again I carry a GXR with a Zeiss 25mm lens in the very same little bag I carried the X100 in, so I'm no further behind in that regard.

    My camera pre-dated all the nice firmware changes so I found many of its quirks quite actively got in my way. The lack of customizability (at the time only 1 user definable button, I hear that has grown to two now) and some of the physical characteristics made switching gears quickly a chore. If there were more user definable buttons probably I would not care about menu diving on the camera.

    Autofocus performance was mediocre and manual focus performance was awful.

    I originally bought the X100 after waiting *years* for a camera like it to come out - when purchasing it I felt the hybrid optical / electronic finder had been made just for me. In the end... I used the EVF much more than the OVF, as accurate framing generally won out for me as a preference, even though the EVF is so-so (for my use).

    Some of the camera issues have improved quite a bit with the latest firmware releases, including autofocus according to many reports, but I've not touched one since I sold mine.

    IQ was never my complaint with the camera with one exception - compared to my Zeiss lenses I felt the Fujinon 23mm lens up front was more prone to flare issues. A hood for me was a mandatory accessory.

    Still, for some, it was and is a great fit. Provided you expected to use it as an autofocus camera and learned its AF tricks, it could work very well indeed.

    Physically, I found the camera worked well except for a few things:

    • the top plate exposure dials are prone to being knocked.
    • for myself, I found the aperture ring uncomfortable in use. The designers clearly felt the slimmest possible lens was a virtue but myself I'd have rather had a little more depth such that the ring could, like on most lenses I'm used to, stand out farther from the body in order to improve accessibility.
    • my camera, like hundreds if not thousands of others, unfortunately suffered from the Sticky Aperture Blade syndrome. Some are still failing to this day.

    On SAB... Yes, it was repaired without much drama by Fujifilm, but the issue still soured me on the camera partly because of the impact on resale values and/or second hand owners generally not getting warranty service from Fujifilm. The issue was a clear design and manufacturing flaw - Fujifilm's fault, and should be covered regardless of the owner in my opinion. Fujifilm could play the part of a hero and cover the issue regardless of ownership status and thus engender itself as a heroic maker of cameras to an entire generation of photographers. Instead the cheaped out and probably listened to their legal department for risk containment advice. A lost opportunity for them IMO. Hopefully new cameras (supposedly those with serial numbers >= 21xxxxxx) won't have this problem.

    I would be tempted by a new and improved X200 but I know I'd never again buy the X100 - that feeling has nothing to do with the SAB issue. Firmware changes and price drops alone would not be enough to tempt me back.

    If they introduced an X200 bringing improvements from all they have learned from the X100 and X-series cameras, with a higher resolution sensor, vastly improved EVF, and maybe even a faster 35mm equivalent lens, I'd certainly have a look at Fujifilm again.

    There's certainly room between the current X100 and the Sony RX1 for another 35mm equivalent fixed lens camera.
     
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  12. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    A little. There were a few interface issues that I think they improved with the X10 and then carried over to the XPro and now a few from the XPro that have made their way back to the X10 (like the Q menu) but that they haven't put in the X100 and seemingly won't. OTOH, the X100 is just such a perfect size and feel and the OVF is just cleaner and brighter, probably because there's a lot less complexity to it with just one focal length to account for. But generally, if you didn't like the X-Pro because it was too quirky for your taste, the X100 certainly is not LESS quirky. Its not a whole lot morso anymore, but definitely at least AS....

    -Ray
     
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  13. Jock Elliott

    Jock Elliott SC All-Pro

    Jan 3, 2012
    Troy, NY
    Thanks to all. Some of the posts mention that this is a "deliberative" camera. I take it, then, it is not the right choice for Henri Cartier-Bresson "decisive moments."
     
  14. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    It's fine for "decisive moments"....if you can anticipate them ;)
     
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  15. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    If the SAB issue isnt being covered for used equipment, then I guess I'm not getting one.

    I like how, with Canon, they still cover the mirror issue on the 5d classic, even though the camera is 6 years old, and regardless if you are the original owner.
     
  16. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    I'm not even sure if they cover it out of warranty. I havent used mine enough to get the SAB... I've only shot about 400, not the couple thousand needed to get it happening... so my SAB is in the future and I have no idea if it will be a free fix or not. I think, probably, not. And thats a PITA. But I wont sell mine anyway, I dont think, I really like it, and I will never be able to afford a replacement, or the X-Pro which is what I really want.
     
  17. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    I think it can work beautifully for decisive moments. That said, I would not choose it to photograph moving children or fast moving subjects...though I know Ray you did quite beautifully with it for a bicycle race, if I recall. I don't think it's the camera for action shots, generally speaking.

    But don't listen to me, I never got rid of mine.:biggrin::cloud-9-039:
     
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  18. adanac

    adanac SC Veteran

    386
    Sep 30, 2011
    Vancouver, BC
    Absolutely. HCB had to anticipate a lot in his day, too. ;)

    I found ways of working around the camera's limitations that were perfectly acceptable to me, and you don't need much in order to prime the camera while you wait for just the right moment. A half press of the shutter virtually removes shutter activation lag.

    But for many of us mere mortals who need a little help in the form of a fast acting (shot to shot in particular) camera, it may not be the best choice. My GXR suffers in this regard too.


    That's a good policy for sure. I wish Fujifilm had done the same.

    Given how many owners of second hand Fujifilm cameras *have* complained that they are being quoted upwards of 800 - 900 for "repairs", it would be wise to assume Fujifilm will not repair the camera for anyone other than the original owner. See the X100 Forum for more details. You might recognize my face on the SAB thread. ;)

    When I sold my camera I gave the buyer my word that I would stand in for him if the need ever arises again. Not all sellers will do that.

    I think you may be in luck there Sue; a number of Fujifilm country offices have indicated to those inquiring about the out of warranty coverage have been assured that it'll be repaired under warranty. One concern I have is that Fujifilm hasn't made a global statement about the issue and warranty coverage, and as such individual camera owners appear to be at the mercy of specific Fujifilm country offices. But... my sense is they'll be repaired.

    How old is yours? What is the serial number (just the first few digits)?

    Mine started failing by 1,000 exposures only I didn't realize it at the time and the problem was initially intermittent which made recognition of the problem all that much harder. There wasn't much written about the issue when mine failed. That's all different now. :(

    I think the X100 is a fine camera and my wife is fond of reminding me that of all the cameras I have owned I probably loved that one the most, and sold it the quickest. Quirky camera, quirky photographer. :)
     
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  19. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Thanks to the OP for starting this thead. Its killed my X100 GAS. I was shooting with my 5Dc and 35/2 last night. No LCD for framing the kids, but I actually kind of like the "guesswork" looking shots I got anyway. I'll just keeping shooting with that combination for now. I've still got the NEX and RX100 for lightweight/travel.
     
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  20. BruPri

    BruPri SC Top Veteran

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    May 11, 2011
    Seattle, Washington USA
    Bruce J. Pritchard
    I ditched my X100 for an X-Pro 1 and an RX100...which I ditched for a Canon 1Ds Mkii and a Leica X1. I shall ditch no more.