iPad workflow (or iPad vs Lightroom, sofa vs desk)

Discussion in 'Image Processing' started by Alf, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    Hi everyone.
    Winter here means longer hours working and bad weather, hence my little shooting activity.
    Add to this my home PC processor (or motherboard) going dead, and the coincident raining on our little home of a lovely present in the form of an iPad and the switching to new smartphones for both of us (two LG E-900 windows phone 7), together with choice and assembly of the new PC components, and you get the image.
    My time after work was spent happily configuring and installing into oblivion.

    But it seems I start to reconnect with human life, and happily I can report a nice weekend with temperatures reaching into the 20s (°C) for a few minutes today, and probably going to last for a while before February storms hit and cold comes back.

    So the home PC sees less direct use, it almost has become our little server that could - and here is the undecided part.

    Up to this moment I usually shot Jpeg+RAW, used the jpegs as a guide and did all postprocessing in LightRoom. Working on my Ethiopia trip pics took weeks because of this choice, even when I liked the result.
    Receiving the iPad was great for immediate photographic satisfaction, as it has great color calibration. But it also showed me how great are Olympus Jpegs, and how little fiddling they need - apart from dark moments.

    The iPad has plenty of photo apps, and at least a few of them are good (especially photogene,photo fx ultra, and filterstorm. PS Express is nice, but limited and slow. And piRAWnha is interesting, at least in concept. a RAW developer on iPad!) and maybe they could be sufficient.

    So at this moment I am undecided, if going for the sofa route and shoot jpeg only, with minimal cropping and pp on iPad, or going on shooting jpeg+RAW and firing up Lightroom - which screams on my new rig and could extract that more juice from my pics?

    Please see exibit A, iPad vs Lightroom

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    Jpeg, cropped in PhotoGene and upped as-is from iPad

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    ORF developed and exported from LR

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    Denoised using dfine 2 from LR

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    Jpeg, retouched on iPad to make it a little colder and exported from there

    What do you think?
     
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  2. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    Well, if i could go the "sofa" route with your results, I surely would!

    I cast my vote for your final photo the Jpeg retouched on iPad made a little colder. It looks excellent here via my MacBook Pro...as I sit on my counter stool, the comfy couch behind me as I look through my kitchen out the window across the room.:wink:
     
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  3. Wally Billingham

    Wally Billingham SC Regular

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    Nov 27, 2010
    Laurel, MD
    JPEGS are fine if you have a properly exposed file, it is when you need to push/pull exposure that the extra data in the RAW file helps. One thing I used to do was to shoot in JPEG most of the time and then just click over to RAW in tricky light.

    Another thing you can always do if you just have a JPEG file but need to do heavy edits is to convert the file over to a 16bit tiff file and then edit in lightroom. The extra bit depth and lack of compression in TIFF files can really help
     
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  4. christilou

    christilou SC Hall of Famer

    Jul 13, 2010
    Sunny Frimley
    Interesting. I prefer the first and last because they look much more natural and convey a certain atmosphere. On balance I would have to go for the original ooc jpeg (first pic) because I prefer the warmer look it gives. I don't expect bitingly sharp detail in this sort of light, it's more about conveying a "feeling" so to speak :)
     
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  5. olli

    olli Super Moderator Emeritus

    Sep 28, 2010
    Metro Manila
    olli
    Since I upload my pictures to my smugmug site and since smugmug uses flash and since apple won't allow flash on their precious products, ipad is useless for me.

    More importantly, I reached a point where I couldn't do without RAW and Lightroom.
     
  6. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    I feel that way, too, about RAW and Lightroom. I'm thinking of using the iPad more as more portable, lightweight way of getting online and accessing information... I'm not in the market for anything except a camera right now, but apparently many people do use these iPads and still end up using Lightroom, etc., eventually.
     
  7. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    Update

    > Wait.
    Time passes.

    Still undecided. The gorgeous olympus jpegs work great most of the time, especially during bright days. The Rome set of last weekend was only resized for upload, using iPad only for choosing which pics to upload. Didn't even crop them.
    This evening i parsed a few RAW with LR3 and uploaded them on flickr to compare.

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    OOC

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    LR3


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    OOC

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    LR3

    My opinion is that sometimes, only sometimes, RAW and LR can be of good use - but most of my time is better spent on finding some good subject, light and composition which is where I need to learn.

    So I'll happily go on shooting jpeg + RAW for the happiness of storage vendors, but only some of those RAW will be used most of the time.

    About iPad and LightRoom: it is a great great great combination using both of them and having the iPad almost-calibrated screen as secondary display (I used AirDisplay on my PC as suggested by the mighty Ctein). If you are into heavy LR use this is probably good for you too.
     
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  8. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    This time, simple pp on iPad usino PhotoGene
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    The original OOC jpeg
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    E-pl1 with FeiHua 25/1,4 C-mount
     
  9. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    In this case, Alf, from my point of view via my computer screen it's the OCC that wins the evening for this portrait. Yes, there is a yellow tone but it appears more realistic to my eyes, again via my computer screen.

    Which do you prefer, Alf?
     
  10. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    Actually, both. The OOC is for the screen, the postprocessed colder for the printed page. Bit it's months since I last printed..
     
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  11. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    That's interesting, Alf. Would you say that your printed version reflects the same colder color that you see on your screen in the print version?
     
  12. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    No, my English isn't what it should. I only meant that the colder image would be beautiful to look at if printed, while the warmer colors are best on screen for me.
     
  13. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
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    Ah, I see, Alf. Your English is fine, I just misunderstood you. Thanks for clarifying.:thumbup:
     
  14. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    Update:

    Shot a few hours, used the iPad to select images, retouched a few in LR, here they are to compare.

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    OOC

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    LR3


    The set in flickr
     
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  15. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    Your second has, again, a different white balance but this time I like your second version better - the details are much better, as well. Are you using RAW or DNG in Lightroom?
     
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  16. deirdre

    deirdre SC Top Veteran

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    Sep 26, 2010
    The contrast difference is remarkable -- I like aspects of both, but I prefer the shadow detail in the first picture. I'd like less than is in the first (as it distracts some) and more than is in the second.
     
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  17. DHart

    DHart SC Regular

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    Feb 28, 2011
    Arizona
    With the fountain picture... you did not process in LR to reveal the shadow detail, your chosen settings darkened shadow detail... did you want to do that? The RAW image could be processed in LR to reveal as much or more beautiful shadow detail than the OOC image displays. I feel that colorful detail in the shadow areas enhances the image and if brought out as much or more than the OOC image, would make it very nice.
     
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  18. Alf

    Alf SC Top Veteran

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    Oct 11, 2010
    Northeastern Tuscany
    Yes, I was playing with effects instead of extracting more from the raw file. But I agree that the squeezing can only be done in a raw developer - I am only happy that this raw pp is often not necessary if good conditions help the Oly Jpeg engine.

    Thank you all for your input!
     
  19. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    :bump: Another bump up for the photographic aspects of the iPad. :biggrin:
     
  20. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 21, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Chuck
    BB - did you get an iPad??