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Lightroom CC Slow and buggy.What alternative?

Discussion in 'Image Processing' started by Ghosthunter, Nov 30, 2015.

  1. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    I have been using LR since day 1 and love it to bits. It's such a great tool for image retouching with loads of great tools. The last 2 updates have made my LR slow and buggy. I'm getting a bit fed up with it so thought about alternatives. As part of my Job I managed to get DXO 10 Pro and thought I would give it a go. More on that later...

    I have been using M4/3 for about 8years with a short break a few years ago, and have loved the compactness of the system and good IQ. I have also had canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji and Sigmas so I know how M4/3 stacks up against it's competitors. For most of what I do M4/3 has been fine but I have always not been totally happy with the IQ.

    As LR was giving me problems I scouted round the net to look for alternatives and the results were that LR was indeed not too great for Image quality or how it shows the image. The best 2 were DXO Pro and just beating DXO was Capture 1 Pro. As I had DXO I thought I would go through my images and see how DXO renders my M4/3 images and it does a better job I must say. LR does an OK job with APS-C but not a great job with M4/3. This maybe why I'm never totally happy with M4/3 image output so below is an image made from DXO on the left and LR on the right. Same olympus e-m1 RAW image with no processing at all. To me the DXO image is better, more clean, clear with brighter, punchy colours.

    What do you guy's think?

    DXO on left & LR on the Right.
    LR_DXOtest by Andrew West, on Flickr
     
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  2. serhan

    serhan SC All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
  3. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    As said, I have DXO 10 Pro and I think I will use it instead of LR for the initial Raw edit.

    I also downloaded the trial of Capture One 9 which renders the files the best but it has a very weird way of importing and displaying the preview files. Plus it's nearly £200 eeek!

    Here is a capture One 9 image the same as above.
    2048pixCap1Test by Andrew West, on Flickr
     
  4. rayvonn

    rayvonn SC Veteran

    305
    Jan 19, 2015
    Couple of questions:

    1) As the original raw file's always going to be flat & boring ready for you to spruce up, isn't it the case that you can get the image on the either side to look like the other with the appropriate edits?; and
    2) Have you tried the same edits using PS? Yes, I know it uses the same engine as LR etc but still, have you tried it.

    I'm happy to get CP1 if it makes the substantial difference from LR. The trouble is, as an existing LR/PS user, I'm always thinking I could get a new lens instead of CP1!
     
  5. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    After some more fiddling I have found that CP1 and probably DXO do some of the work to the original raw file, or at least it seems that way. I think LR just gives you a 'real' RAW file rather than a pre edited version. Anyhoo the upshot is that the difference is minute so I'm going to keep on with LR. I have created a preset that gets me to a good starting point.

    I will try just PS and see if that makes any difference.

    EDIT:

    I have tried PS ACR and the results are identical as LR so may aswell stick with LR :)

    Thanks
     
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  6. pniev

    pniev Student for life

    Jun 10, 2013
    Every time when I try something else, I end up concluding that is not worth switching. With some import presets you can indeed do a lot. Foliage is the area where LR is really behind others. For most PP work I like the speed of LR-processing. Only when I really want to get max quality, I use other software, depending on the look I want to create.

    BTW: performance (especially in generating the small previews) has improved with the latest release of LR CC. It also helps to use the latest hardware, I guess.
     
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  7. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 SC Top Veteran

    533
    Feb 6, 2015
    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    Are you working with the newest version of Lightroom? If not make sure you are - the performance is there.
     
  8. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    Yes, I have the latest update but it's still slow-ish :D
     
  9. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 SC Top Veteran

    533
    Feb 6, 2015
    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    That's weird. I noticed quite a good performance improvement. I'm running with about 60,000 images in the catalog. Could be a system/hardware configuration issue. Might be worth looking into.
     
  10. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    I wouldn't know how! :D

    Since comparing LR with CP1 and DXO i actually find LR renders quicker than the others so perhaps it used to be lightning quick but now is just quick? :D :D
     
  11. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 SC Top Veteran

    533
    Feb 6, 2015
    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    I noticed some issues with the Open GL option being on, so turned that off. I'd check things like the cache size just to make sure you've enough memory and scratch area to work with.
     
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  12. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    Thanks for the advice, I will have a look. Since using DXO, LR seems to be OK!
     
  13. rayvonn

    rayvonn SC Veteran

    305
    Jan 19, 2015
    Actually now that I think of it, this did solve a lot of issues with LR for me so I'd certainly recommend doing that as well.
     
  14. mattia

    mattia SC Regular

    98
    Dec 20, 2013
    I prefer DxO's rendering, but it's not a DAM and has zero (or near zero) local adjustment options. So I use both - DxO for most processing, Lightroom for managing and simple retouching and PS for full-on NIK suite editing (or just NIK plugins form LR for smaller adjustments). DxO is not a fast processor though.

    Horses for courses. There are tutorials on how to integrate DxO (which is having a 5 percent off sale) into a LR workflow as an external RAW converter.
     
  15. christilou

    christilou SC Hall of Famer

    Jul 13, 2010
    Sunny Frimley
    I had a DXO trial that I really liked, I thought it brought a lot more detail than LR but I like the catalogue in LR. I just got my iMac back after a graphics card/hard drive fail so I'm about to start loading stuff back on from my back up drive and trying to decide exactly what to add back! El Capitan messed up LR6 badly and I had to uninstall and go back to LR5 but I had my iMac configured back to Yosemite so could restart my LR6 again or use DXO. I never got on with Capture one.
     
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  16. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    REally? You had problems with El Cap? I hate it for all kinds of reasons, but my LR6.3 works fine with it (albeit a tad slow on my 2010 base mini with 16GB... I need to get an SSD in there.) I simply updated to El Cap without a clean install (just couldnt be bothered) and its working fine.

    I've never been attracted too much to DXO (I have 8 but never use it).. I guess I like the catalog of LR as well. I simply cannot abide the new Photos.app, I've been trying to like it for a month but its just nasty.

    I'm pretty much using LR and On1 9 and 10, and Elements 13 (not for much, this) plus a shedload of plugins.
     
  17. Ripleysbaby

    Ripleysbaby supernatural anesthetist

    Sep 9, 2011
    Cumbria UK
    Garry
    Downloaded the DXO trial and had a play for an hour. Bought it. Took to it right away. Seems to automatically deliver nicer results than LR does.
    At least for me anyway. Looks like I might not be spending so much time in front of my iMac fettling images ! Nice one Christina.
     
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  18. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Andy, how long has it been since you cleaned out your computer caches, and did a defrag? Maybe its not Lightroom...
     
  19. christilou

    christilou SC Hall of Famer

    Jul 13, 2010
    Sunny Frimley
    I had them reset my iMac with Yosemite when it was returned but unfortunately my daughter set it up to restore from the back up drive and it merrily restored El Capitan for me :( I know I could go backwards again but it seems too fiddly to do. In any case the earlier version of LR seems to work with it for now. The latest version just didn't work at all, didn't show the previews, wouldn't let me click on anything..... it was totally unusable. Looking at my storage space, I still only have 43 gb of storage left..... something's going to give at some point!
     
  20. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo!

    Sep 8, 2010
    London UK
    Andy
    I have a Mac. I have no idea how to clean out the cache or do a defrag. I usually don't have to worry about such things :D
     
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