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LX7 down to $275 directly from Panasonic.

Discussion in 'Hot Deals - Find a Great Deal? Share It Here.' started by lenshoarder, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. lenshoarder

    lenshoarder SC Veteran

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  2. Biro

    Biro SC All-Pro

    Aug 7, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    Steve
    Hmmm... the LX7 got a glowing review from DPReview - perhaps even better than the review the Sony RX100 got. Dunno... what do the best and brightest at Serious Compacts think? Better to grab this, wait for the inevitable one-inch sensored enthusiast compact from Panasonic or just buy an Olympus E-PM2 and use it with pancake lenses like I've been using my E-PM1 (which would be gifted away)?
     
  3. zapatista

    zapatista SC Regular

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    Jul 28, 2012
    Denver, Colorado
    Mike
    I've used both the LX7 and RX100 and believe the RX100 has a pretty large IQ edge even at the telephoto end (90-100mm). F2.3 is nice to have though. How do you like the 06 zoom on the Pentax Q, btw...?
     
  4. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    The RX100 definitely has a sensor to die for and if you like the rest of the camera they built around it and want to spend the money, it's a great little camera. I had one that's my wife's now and she leaves it on auto and loves it. But to get that big a sensor in such a small camera, the lens is pretty compromised in terms of both aperture (which I care about) and corner softness (which I don't). And the handling, to ME, is terrible. I just couldn't enjoy shooting with that camera.

    The LX7 sensor isn't in the same league, but the lens is really nice. The sensor is only good up to 400-800 and maybe useable to 1600 in a pinch, (the Sony is good at 3200) but you can do a LOT with that at f1.4 - 2.3. And the multi-aspect sensor and all of the external controls make it waaaaay too much fun to shoot with. I'm hopeful they'll do a good 1" sensor compact within the next year or so, but to maintain a sharp and fast lens they're gonna have to make it bigger than Sony did and bigger than the LX7 - maybe X100 size? Or maybe they'll compromise on the lens too and keep it smallish? Hopefully the trade offs will work out. Meanwhile the trade offs on the LX7 work way better for me and at that price, it was an easy call. I suspect we'll look back at the LX3-7 as classics of their era. I'm loving the LX7 again - it was hard to justify at full price,given its obvious limitations compared to the RX100 and X10, but at $300 or less, I couldn't pass it up. Ita one of the most capable and enjoyable all around cameras I've ever shot with.

    -Ray
     
  5. Biro

    Biro SC All-Pro

    Aug 7, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    Steve
    I'll have to let you know. It's actually a Christmas present that bought for myself but gave to my wife to wrap for under the tree. Does that make sense? :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Biro

    Biro SC All-Pro

    Aug 7, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    Steve
    I hear you and, as you can see in my signature, I still have my LX3. The LX7 is a good deal larger than the LX3, isn't it?
     
  7. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Some, but very very close to the LX5. The LX7 is less than 1mm longer than the LX5, about 1.5mm taller, and a little over 2mm deeper, but a lot of the depth is attributable to a small rear overhang of the hot-shoe to make room for the microphones in front of it. I had an LX5 and don't really feel or see any difference between that and the LX7 - you have to put them next to each other and measure to find the difference. From what I can find on the LX3, its within a mm or so of the same length, but is notably shorter, about 7-8mm. The measurements of depth of the LX3 are sooooo much smaller than either the LX5 or LX7 I frankly can't believe they're measuring the same dimension. About 27mm for the LX3 vs 43 for the LX5 and 45 for the LX7 - that just doesn't sound believable to me. I've seen and held an LX3 in the past - its not that much different...

    But yeah, some growth over the years. To me, well worth it. If small size was my primary consideration, I'd be looking at the S110 or RX100 - I've shot with both the S90 and RX100 and I just find other factors far more important. The LX series and the Fuji X10 are coat pocketable, not pants pocketable (at least not easily) but they handle like real camera with easily accessible controls. The little guys try to cram so much into so little space that they've had to come up with some pretty clever control-design solutions and you've gotta hand it to 'em for making it work at all. But neither of them ever felt at all right to me for anything other than putting them on Auto and just hitting the shutter button.

    -Ray
     
  8. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 21, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Chuck
    Ray, I just measured my LX3. Sure enough, the depth is 27mm...but that doesn't count the (fixed) lens. Taking into account the lens, the depth is 43 mm with lens cap off, 50 mm with cap on.
     
  9. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Thanks Chuck, about the same as the LX5 or LX7 without the hot shoe extending back a couple of mm. So the only notable difference between the LX3 and its younger siblings is the height, which is a noticeable difference.

    -Ray
     
  10. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 21, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Chuck
    Obviously, I still have my LX3, but I rarely use it. I never got comfortable with the joystick controller; is that still a feature of the LX series?
     
  11. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    No, that was gone with the LX5, replaced by the single clickable scroll wheel that could be clicked to move between functions and then turned to control the selected function. This is the same type of wheel that Pany has used on all of its m43 models that I've used. The LX7 goes that two better. It adds an aperture ring on the lens so you don't need to use the scroll wheel for aperture and it adds another jog dial that's used to adjust manual focus and to turn on the ND filter. So the scroll wheel is still clickable to move between functions, but with the other controls, the only thing I tend to change with that while shooting is exposure compensation, so I can just keep it armed for that and turn it when I need to. And then when you go in to adjust ISO or WB or something, it comes into play there too. Meanwhile it still has the same external controls on the lens ring for focus mode and for aspect ratio. The LX7 controls make for one of the best handling cameras I've ever used, of any size or strength. Just incredibly quick and intuitive.

    That joystick seemed to be really popular with some LX3 owners and really unpopular with others. I remember when the LX5 first came out it was the subject of many happy and angry posts once the change became apparent...

    -Ray
     
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  12. Biro

    Biro SC All-Pro

    Aug 7, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    Steve
    I'm fairly neutral on the LX3's joystick. It's okay but not 100% intuitive to my way of thinking. I'd like the clickable scroll wheel better.
     
  13. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 21, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Chuck
    I almost succumbed to the offer. Remarkable self-control....for once!
     
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  14. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    Oh c'mon Chuck ... just give in!
     
  15. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    The black version is still/again $299 at B&H, so it would appear there's still an opportunity to succumb....:cool:

    -Ray
     
  16. M4/3

    M4/3 SC Rookie

    12
    Dec 21, 2011
    I picked up a $299 LX7 up too, but being a long time Oly user, I find it's menu agonizingly complicated. Just changing the exposure compensation requires memorizing several button pushing sequences. And each day I forget them. "Point & Shoot simplicity? Not exactly.
     
  17. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    What mode are you in? I shoot the vast majority of the time in aperture priority mode and exposure compensation is the primary job of the main dial by the thumb position. If the exposure compensation info at the bottom of the screen is highlighted in yellow, all you have to do is turn the dial and it controls exposure comp. if its not showing in yellow, you just push/click the same dial once or twice until it is yellow - that means its armed and then you turn to adjust. It's basically the same in every mode where exposure comp is available.

    BTW, the charm of the LX7 isn't about "point and shoot simplicity" - its more like "near DSLR level of external controls in a very compact camera". I was out shooting with mine for a couple of hours this morning and I don't think I had to go to the menu once - everything is already at your fingertips.

    -Ray
     
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