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More Flickr totalitarianism

Discussion in 'The Watering Hole' started by pdh, May 13, 2015.

  1. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    I've just noticed Flickr is now adding tags without asking to everybody's photos.
    Apparently their "friendly robots" are using "advanced recognition technology" to decide what extra tags to add to your photos, and there doesn;t seem to be any way of opting out of this.

    fairly soon, I'll be making all my flickr stream closed, I'm not being Flickr's bitch any more, so, sorry chaps, all my photos will disappear from TPL.
     
  2. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Do the British children play the game of "tag", Paul? If so, you're "it". I just tagged you. :tomato2:
     
  3. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    You'll be unfriended if you do that again LukeyWukey
     
  4. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    well.....all joking aside. Having robots tagging photos is simply ridiculous. It's almost a fun game to see what tags were chosen (that have NOTHING to do with a photo)
     
  5. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    Exactly.
    You were able to add a tag to my photo because I permit that from some of my contacts, but I have (NONE OF US HAVE) any control over what Flickr chooses to add, and there's no means to mass delete these autotags (or "craptags" as they have been dubbed in the flickr help forums) - they don;t even appear on one's global tag list anywhere.

    the cynic in me suggests that by introducing global tagging with no opt-out before the tools they are "considering adding" to help manage craptags, Flickr is banking on users either not noticing or passively complying.

    The other inner cynic suggests that this is only a means to shove Flickr views up via image searches from other engines such as Google and (of course) Yahoo.

    My immediate response is to want to lock my entire photostream as unsearchable and private ...
     
  6. Lightmancer

    Lightmancer Super Moderator

    Aug 13, 2011
    Sunny Frimley
    Bill Palmer
    I don't like to say I told you so... But...

    Tags are metadata. You can't monetise images without metadata.

    "If you are not paying for the product, you are the product"
     
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  7. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    You're not telling me anything I didn't know already Bill, or indeed anything I haven't already talked about, here and elsewhere.

    However this is a "new level" of interference which is not just about how the photos are presented visually, but how they are presented verbally. It's a camel's back moment for me I suspect.

    I'm happy (or at least willing) to accept Flickr monetising off my images so long as I have complete control about all aspects of how they might be searched for in terms of description, title or any other metadata ... but ... well, I think I've made myself clear.
     
  8. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    make yer whole photostream private, Paul. Then you can just use it as a free web host and present them wherever you like (here for example).
     
  9. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Can you do that in bulk? Make it all private?
     
  10. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    yes. I did it awhile ago. I have started making select photos public again.

    Get to the batch organizer. at the bottom panel, click on select all, then drag them into the top pane. Then hit up the "permissions" drop down menu. Choose the top selection "who can see, comment, etc" and there you will find the option to make them all private.
     
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  11. SnapDawg

    SnapDawg Rorschach Test Pilot

    649
    Apr 18, 2014
    Canary Islands
    Ken
    I've had all my stuff marked 'private' right from the start but recently I've gained some 'followers' or whatever - WTF???
    Heck, it's free, I've only got some casual stuff parked there, nothing depends on it and if the whole freakin' circus goes down the drain tomorrow I couldn't care less.
     
  12. ReD

    ReD SC Hall of Famer

    Mar 27, 2013
    its easy to edit out the add on tags - a bit more work but nothing major
     
  13. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    Not true roger, I have over 7000 images on Flickr and the only way to remove the craptags is one by one - a massive task
     
  14. ReD

    ReD SC Hall of Famer

    Mar 27, 2013
    Yup I just noticed its retro applied - I did see somewhere a route to complain but have lost it
     
  15. lenshacker

    lenshacker SC Regular

    192
    Nov 21, 2014
    It's going to be really funny watching some of my photos tagged with "Fortran".

    Just the ones that I do my own Demosaic routines and add my own metadata.

    R2D2 watch out.
     
  16. nickthetasmaniac

    nickthetasmaniac SC Veteran

    201
    Jan 20, 2014
    Launceston & Sydney
    Nick Clark
    Just had a bit of a scroll through to see what they'd added.

    'Lens'
    'Electronics'

    It doesn't have either :)

    16862077616_f0f0704748_z.

    Interestingly though, they did tag this one with 'lake', and I'd genuinely love to know how they knew it was a photo of a lake? I didn't tag or label it with anything...

    16692674079_c06332b6df_z.

    Anyway, at the end of the day there's an awful lot of truth to this. I think it's an interesting product of today's mentality that we think a 'free' service should be at our beck and call; flickr is a commercial enterprise, of course they're going to try and make money. It you don't want to be involved with that then pay for a service that does what you want.
     
  17. Tilman Paulin

    Tilman Paulin SC Top Veteran

    676
    Nov 15, 2011
    Dublin, Ireland
    Well, as a matter of fact I am paying for flickr (as probably some other here are)... Maybe not for too long anymore, who knows...
     
  18. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    What's interesting is that the financial success of this model of monetising has shifted the ground of the argument so far to the capitalistic libertarian position.

    Thus anyone who suggests the model is flawed or unethical or believes end users should consider themselves as other than passive in the face of it, is dismissed as foolish or unrealistic, not by the companies but by other customers.

    And so, not only do the turkeys vote for Christmas, they do the butchers' marketing for them ...
     
  19. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Anyone that wants to use it is free to use it (for free). Anyone who doesn't is free not to (also for free). And there are competing services available to anyone who prefers to use them (for free or not). Call me naive, but that sounds just a wee bit more than a tad different than my understanding of totalitarianism.

    -Ray
     
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  20. pdh

    pdh SC Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    For goodness sake Ray don't be so literal minded. It's perfectly obvious how I am using the phrase and why.

    It really does seem that any attempt on this forum to discuss anything other than lenses or, menu systems, or to offer the phrase "great capture" is doomed to crash into a wall of obfuscation.