ND filter advice and a disappointing trip to the camera shop (again)

Discussion in 'The Watering Hole' started by Luke, May 4, 2013.

  1. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I stopped by the camera shop this morning (such a quaint concept in these modern times, I know, but I like bricks and mortar stores) so I could pick up a ND filter. I'm heading to a baseball game this afternoon and we're expecting a sunny day and want to be able to shoot wide open. The nice man behind the counter (who has worked there forever) handed me a variable ND filter where you basically spin 2 attached filters around (on of them is polarized) to get anything from no blockage of light to up to 6 (or maybe 10, I didn't ask) stops of light blocked. It was a ProMaster brand (which to me means some cheapo garbage made in China...however I'll admit it's possible I'm wrong). I bought one of these types of variable ND filters before. It was a Polaroid brand. It also was a piece of garbage, but for the $30 I paid for it, I was expecting amazing results....just the ability to block a bunch of light when I needed it.

    Now the one he is showing me looks EXACTLY the same and it is $99. I said I'd prefer just a regular old ND filter....maybe a 3 stop.....if they carried a high quality set of 3, I would also consider that as well. "Nope, this is it. This is all you need. It's super high quality glass." I turned and left with no ND filter and now I'll probably need to leave the RX1 home today :(

    So now I'm online looking for what that store should have carried and have a massive array of options. My impulse is to get the most light stopping power I need in a quality brand. Are there any holes in that logic? Even if I don't need 6 stops of light stopping power for a specific shot, the high ISO performance may make up for it. But I would think most of the time if actually need the ND filter to cut back on light (and I'm just talking enabling the use of f2 without blowing the photo....not any "trick" shots where I want to do long exposures), that having a couple too many stops wouldn't be the end of the world. Or do you think I'd be better off getting a set of 3 filters and stacking them when I need to?

    I need to get my stuff together for the game. I'll enjoy your advice later. Go Brewers!
     
  2. tdp

    tdp Guest

    I would get 1 really nice ND filter, say 4 or 8 - for your single filter times, then get a bunch of large diameter, cheaper NDs and step up rings for the longer exposures. For the cheaper ones, get all the same manufacturer so the color is the same.

    I have a vari ND I made from 2 polarizers that I picked up out of a bargain bin for 3 dollars each. Just flip the glass on the outer PL filter and you are good to go.
     
  3. Ranger Rick

    Ranger Rick SC Regular

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    Mar 12, 2012
    Tempe, AZ
    Rick
    I'd researched this for a while, and came across a website where the photographer did an in-depth several part video test of a bunch of the variable ND filters (sorry, I don't remember who, but maybe a search will pull it up), and the ultimate choice was a Tiffen. Singh-Ray was in there but didn't do too well, something I've surprisingly seen elsewhere, esp for the price. I think the Tiffen is about 8x at the high end, but all of this measuring seems to be squishy. It wasn't outrageously priced (compared to the competition that is, I think 77mm was on sale @ B&H for $125). I'm happy. Maybe there's better, but who knows for sure. I'd never used Tiffen before, as I didn't think of it as a serious contender (but Ken Rockwell endorses Tiffen :).

    I got the 77mm as I wanted to buy one for several lenses/systems, tho a PITA to use stepup rings. I would consider, as you say, go the 3 filter/stacking route as a serious alternative.

    Most of those cheap ones seem to have major color issues, and I seldom saw a good word for them.

    Hope that helps!
     
  4. Gary

    Gary SC All-Pro

    Aug 19, 2012
    Southern California
    Gary Ayala
    I have a nice 3 stop ND and a great CP.
     
  5. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    The two cameras with built in ND filters that I've had/used (I guess three if you count the X100 and X100s twice) had 3 stop ND filters and that's always been MORE than enough to allow me to shoot wide open in bright sun. Whether at f1.4 on the LX7 or f2 on the X100. This is just to allow you to shoot wide open in bright light, not for long exposures to make waterfalls look like spun silk or something. So, that's what, an 8 or 9??? I guess different manufacturers have different labeling conventions, but that's all I'd ever want...

    -Ray
     
  6. Stan

    Stan SC Regular

    164
    Apr 19, 2013
    California
    Stan
    I have a 3, 6, and 10 stop ND filters and polarizers for each of my systems. For m43 I have 46 and 52mm sizes and stepup rings. (For FF DSLR, I run 77mm.) I learned to get good ones or save.

    B+W ND filters all the way!
     
  7. Biro

    Biro SC All-Pro

    Aug 7, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    Steve
    B+W filters of any kind!
     
  8. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Thanks all.... Sounds like I'll be getting a B + W 3 stop.
     
  9. Djarum

    Djarum SC All-Pro

    Jul 10, 2010
    Huntsville, AL
    Jason
    I have a hoya hmc 3 and 2 stop filter. I have stacked them without issue in my pen but will vignette stacked at the 14mm end. Lots of waterfall pictures I've done. No issues with color cast. Keep in mind though, the more glass the more chance of ghosting and reflections.
     
  10. ean10775

    ean10775 SC Regular

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    Feb 25, 2013
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Eric
    If you need a little more and don't mind the polarizing effect, a polarizer on top of your ND will get you an extra 1 to 2 stops. My Heliopan Jet Pol is about 1.5 stops.
     
  11. Djarum

    Djarum SC All-Pro

    Jul 10, 2010
    Huntsville, AL
    Jason
    Yeah, can't go wrong with b + w either. I love my circular polarizer from them.
     
  12. Gubrz

    Gubrz O.* Gonzo's & Bentley's Dad

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    Jun 5, 2012
    Austin, TX
    Eliot
    i got the zeiss one, but just cause it was at the sony store and i wanted it RIGHT NOW! lol
    it cost a fortune, but it does say T* on it, and i pretend that means MAGIC! ;)

    ive got a tiffen multi coated and the panasonic 46mm filters also
    everything being 0.9
    ive never had issue with them
    at least half my rx1 shots are with the filter on, havent seen a downside
    and prolly 90% of my pl25/1.4 em5 shots are with the el cheapo panasonic nd, and no issues ive noticed either

    so i think youll be good!

    now go take some photos
    hey it was my bday saturday, did u have any cake for me Supa Luke?!
     
  13. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    You should have told me ahead of time. No cake. But I lifted my temporary ban on deserts to enjoy a Brownie at a Brewers tailgate party. It was unbelievable. Happy Birthday....and photos of said tailgate coming later today (now with more ground Unicorn horn lens magic)
     
  14. Lawrence A.

    Lawrence A. SC All-Pro

    Nov 8, 2012
    New Mexico
    Larry
    That's what I use, and they've never let me down. I have a 58mm Tiffen ND that I don't find quite neutral; it tends to warm things up, correctable, but annoying.

    Enjoy the game.
     
  15. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    That's exactly what I use with the Oly 17/1.8 and the Summilux 50 -- 3 stop B+W filter. Great quality stuff.
     
  16. Gubrz

    Gubrz O.* Gonzo's & Bentley's Dad

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    Jun 5, 2012
    Austin, TX
    Eliot
    Yesssssssssss! Unicorn powaaaaaah!
    [video=youtube;QljsdAuCG7g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QljsdAuCG7g[/video]

    But now I want a Brownie. Darn you! Shakes fist!!!
     
  17. Lawrence A.

    Lawrence A. SC All-Pro

    Nov 8, 2012
    New Mexico
    Larry
    I've mostly banned dessert too, but I get to have one a week: Yesterday was a scoop of vanilla ice cream, a scoop of blood orange sorbet, and fresh stawberry slices. It was worth the weight --- oops, I mean wait.
     
  18. Gubrz

    Gubrz O.* Gonzo's & Bentley's Dad

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    Jun 5, 2012
    Austin, TX
    Eliot
    Lolz!
    Today is day one of my 34 yo diet! Lol! I gave myself Sunday because it was still my bday weekend. Lol