Processing question - using Silver Effex and other plug-ins

Discussion in 'Image Processing' started by Armanius, Mar 17, 2012.

  1. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
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    For you experienced folks, what is the workflow on using plug-ins? Assuming you use Lightroom and shoot RAW, do you use the plug-in as the very first action item after you import the RAW file into LR? Or do you do all the magic with LR first (crop, exposure, NR, sharpen) and then use the plug-in?
     
  2. bartjeej

    bartjeej SC Hall of Famer

    Nov 12, 2010
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    I would never consider myself an experienced PP'er, but I do cropping and exposure first, then plug-ins, and finally NR and sharpening
     
  3. winginkris

    winginkris SC Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2011
    Ditto.
     
  4. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    +2
     
  5. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend Subscribing Member

    Sep 21, 2010
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    you should be able to figure it out...
    I use Aperture, but all I generally do with it initially is crop/straighten, if needed. I find that Silver and Color Efex/Viveza can handle exposure, contrast, sharpening, tone curves, etc very well. Once I save it I'll occasionally use Aperture for some minor touch ups, as needed. NR I do in Nik dfine when it's needed, but NR in Aperture is pretty useless. I understand LR has much better NR, so I'd probably use that if I had it.

    Since I started using the plug ins, Aperture is rarely used for more than initial raw processing, minor adjustments, and mostly as a cataloging program.

    -Ray
     
  6. krugorg

    krugorg SC All-Pro

    Sep 26, 2011
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    I import into LR and then do the basic corrections there first (crop, exposure, sharpening)... if I have some noise, I either use LR's NR, or run through to Define first, before editing in Silver Efex or Color Efex. I remember reading that Nik recommends NR first, if needed, before running through their other tools.
     
  7. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
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    Thanks for the tips folks. Sounds like a lot of steps though. Once you do your first edit in LR or Aperture, do you have to convert the file into JPG before doing edits in something like Silver Efex?
     
  8. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend Subscribing Member

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    you should be able to figure it out...
    No, the plug in automatically creates a TIFF file to work on (whether your starting point is raw or jpeg) and saves it back as a version in Aperture or LR, still as a TIFF. And the TIFF files are huge, so once I've run through whatever plug in(s) I'm going to and am finished editing, I convert that TIFF back to a jpeg just to save space.

    -Ray
     
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  9. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
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    Various CEFX and SEFX filters add noise/grain to an image, so there is not a lot of point in performing noise reduction afterwards; just add less to begin with. Also, any type of vignetting, edge burning or (cough) border effect needs to occur after any cropping has been done. The only thing I would commonly adjust after I have run an image through CEFX or SEFX is the curves to adjust exposure and contrast.
     
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  10. Petach

    Petach SC All-Pro

    Oct 22, 2011
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    I import into LR. do my cropping, then r/click and edit in sfx. Save, then export from LR as jpeg into a named folder.....voila, no time at all.
     
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  11. Ghosthunter

    Ghosthunter boo! Subscribing Member

    Sep 8, 2010
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    When processing BEFORE using Siver Efex Pro - Over saturate the image with colour. THis should give SEP more data to deal with and you should get better results. It does seem to work.
     
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  12. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
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    Andy, when you say "ovesaturate", are we talking about pushing the saturation slider all the way to the right? Thanks!
     
  13. Grant

    Grant SC Veteran

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    Nov 12, 2010
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    I use lots of tools and shoot all my images in raw. I process the raw image first trying to get the very best possible image I can, generally in Aperture but not exclusively. If I am going to apply filters I export to Photoshop so I can take advantages of the layers as well as the filters.