[New member and first-time post; good to meet you!] Hi all, I'm having a tough time deciding between the Ricoh GR and the Sony RX100M2, and would appreciate insight and advice here. I posted an earlier request for input on FredMiranda (FM), where I've been a member much longer, and received a lot of valuable guidance (including from 'aleksanderpolo', whom I note is a contributor here as well). My earlier posting from FM is repeated below, for context. Since that time, I've eliminated the Nikon Coolpix A (due to inaccessibility of video setting deep in menus, deficiencies in user-interface and haptics, and, to a lesser extent, the $300 premium over the Ricoh GR). So, now it's between Ricoh GR and RX100M2. If I were convinced that the image-quality of the videos from the GR were equal to those from the RX100M2, I would almost surely go with the GR (given its superior still IQ, and better UI/haptics). However, it seems that they are not... aleksanderpolo responded to my FM thread by stating: "[video]'s pretty bad with lots of artifacts, not smooth at all." Also, since my FM posting, I've found another review: Ricoh GR Digital Camera Review - DigitalCameraInfo.com that described the video issues in much greater detail than Ming Thien and other still photographers did in their reviews. This review stated: "Video quality was decidedly sub-par. Even when shooting in the maximum 1080/30p setting and with good light, videos were soft (maxing out at 525 lp/ph) and riddled with distracting image artifacts. Trailing was an obvious issue and videos weren't very smooth, even compared to typical 1080/30p clips. The camera's autofocus system also tries to refocus far too often, resulting in jittery footage of static scenes; we recommend shooting in manual focus or snap focus mode to avoid this issue. Better yet, just ignore the video mode altogether." That being said, I'm still drawn to others who can compare it directly with RX-100M2. I was gratified to note that an SC regular (LindenW --- hi!) owns all three and has done a detailed comparison: https://www.photographerslounge.org/f103/comparison-test-ricoh-gr-nikon-coolpix-sony-rx100-19944/ As great a comparison as it is, it seems to focus only on the still capabilities... Linden, any possibility you might kindly comment on video performance among the two or three compacts, even if not comprehensively (due to time)? Others? Thanks so much! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- My original FM post (Advice on large-sensor, ultra-compact camera... - FM Forums) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm trying to decide between a couple of enthusiast (ie, large-sensor) ultra-compact cameras, and would appreciate guidance from folks that have used one or both of the ones I'm considering, especially those who have similar preferences, use-case scenarios as mine. No strict price limit, and all the ones I've looked at are similar enough in price (sub $1200, let's say), that it's not an issue. Some background --- I'm a long-time amateur DSLR shooter (formerly, D-70, more recently D-7000 and D-3 with 85/f1.4, 105/f2D, etc) but the primary (though, definitely not sole) user of the camera will be my wife. She's very much a novice at this, and not particularly interested in increasing her photography / camera knowledge or skill-set; she currently uses, and loves, her Canon SD870is. We're looking to upgrade to get better overall image-quality, faster operation, and HD video. So, the camera should have straight-forward usability for her (even if she does not obtain optimal IQ output, by simply using it as a P&S), but I'll likely often borrow it (when I don't feel like carrying my heavier gear). Primary usage scenario (her only scenario) is to take pictures and videos of our children --- mainly, daily activity and portraits, but not really sports. Environmental conditions are about evenly split between outdoor (assume sunny, say EV 12-15) and indoor (say, EV 5-7, but usually not low-light). An absolute requirement is: Pocketability (compact-size) (which understandably greatly restricts options, of course). For sake of comparison, all M4/3's are definitely too large to meet this criteria; to give some point of comparison, even the Fuji X100s is too big (at 127x74x54mm). So, I'm looking for something that's only a bit larger than the SD870is she has (93x59x26mm). This rules out all cameras with OVF/EVF, but I'm okay with that. Top priorities (in explicit order of importance) within this class of compact cameras is: (1) Image quality (2) Quality and speed of autofocus (3) Video capabilities (see below) (4) Intuitiveness of user-interface and handling (5) Depth of buffer when shooting RAW+JPG Things I explicitly do *NOT* care about (among others, likely): (1) Viewfinder or hot-shoe capability (2) Wifi / NFC capability (3) Using flash as wireless commander The video capabilities are important (ranked #3, as above), since my wife captures so many clips of our children on video; however, she's not sophisticated enough to do fancy controls during shooting (pulling focus, zooming [if camera has zoom], etc.), so let's limit the comparison of video capabilities to quality of video, with controls constant across length of clip. A chief issue not outlined above is our potential requirement for zoom or, instead, our appreciation for just a good fixed lens. Personally, I think I'm fine with just a prime (and shoot mainly that on my DSLRs). I suspect my wife would likely prefer the flexibility of a zoom. However, I've recently examined (programmatically) 1000s of photos she took with her SD870is over the past few years, constructed a histogram of the various focal-length settings of them, and found that she took ~50% of them at 28mm (FX-equiv), and only 10% at each of five or so other settings all the way up to the max of 105mm (FX-equiv) present on the SD870. So, this leads me to believe (and to be able to convince her) that a fixed-length lens would be a viable option for her demonstrated past shooting preferences. The list of possible cameras is actually pretty small (given my extreme demands of compactness and sensor-size/image-quality). In fact, so far, my attention has focused strictly on the Ricoh GR, Nikon Coolpix A, and Sony RX-100M2. The Fuji XF1 could potentially also be included, but it's 2/3" sensor (and DxO of 49) is sufficiently far from the other three to exclude it (in my opinion). So, let's set the sensor-bar, then, at CX or above (DX). If there are any other models I should be considering, please let me know... If not, would appreciate help in deciding between above three. Sources I've already consulted, so far, to understand the situation: (1) Ming Thein's excellent reviews and comparisons: (a) The Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 â€“ a somewhat comparative review â€“ Ming Thein | Photographer (b) Review: The Nikon Coolpix A â€“ Ming Thein | Photographer (c) Review: The 2013 Ricoh GR (digital V) â€“ Ming Thein | Photographer (d) Battle of the 28mm compacts: Ricoh GR vs Nikon Coolpix A â€“ Ming Thein | Photographer Ming does not explicitly review the RX100M2, nor compare the RX100 with the DX compacts, but I suspect he would favor either of the DXs due to their improved IQ, and his expressed interest in 28mm-prime shooting. As above, my situation is a bit more nuanced, but not much --- with the exclusion of a better understanding of how either of the DXs compare in ("constant-control") video against the RX100M2. More interesting to me, the issues that Ming mentions with GR color handling in its RAW files appear to possibly be related to some issues with ACR, rather than to anything in the camera itself. This would be quite comforting to learn (assuming that they would then disappear in later revisions of said software program). (2) DP Review: (a) Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 II Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review (b) Nikon Coolpix A Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review (c) Ricoh GR Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review (3) Thom Hogan (a) 2013 Nikon News and Comments by Thom Hogan (under "The A Problem") (b) http://www.gearophile.com/cameras/camera-reviews/nikon-coolpix-a-review.html I think my first goal is to decide whether I want to trade additional IQ (moving from CX to DX sensor) for the ability to zoom. In making that decision, I would then either purchase, or exclude, the RX-100M2. Right now, I'm leaning to better IQ, with the significant caveat that I can also obtain better video from the DX cameras. (I know / suspect that the RX100M2 is more adept at the *control* of the video, probably allowing for pull focus, easy recomposition during video, etc. As I mention above, let's put all those capabilities aside, since I know my wife will never use them. Instead, let's just consider the IQ of the video from the RX-100M2 against that of the A and GR. For example, what is the impact of the video codec?) Once that is decided, I'll either have chosen the RX-100M2, or have to decide between the A and the GR. At that point, I think it's a much closer decision... Thoughts? Regardless, I very much appreciate any insights on above. Thanks!