Panasonic Rumor - Panasonic LX8

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Faster than f2.8, since it's 1.7 at the wide end. But not quite a GX7 in that it'll use the sensor as a multi-aspect sensor, so not quite 16mp - sounds more like 13mp. But a hell of a package, and I'll be VERY surprised if it's not price competitive with the RX100 and G1X mkII...

HEY, WAIT A MINUTE - I thought cost was no object!!!! :D

-Ray

Well.. this one I might actually buy and I think my wife has a different opinion about money not being an object.. :D
 
This camera is a potential home run IMO, but I really did want to see it stretch out to 90mm. If I buy it it needs to replace my E-P5 with 17/1.8 & 45/1.8. I can live with what will likely be 35/2.8 on the LX?, but 70/2.8 vs 90/1.8 is a big compromise. The LX will be way more versatile, a bit smaller, etc., but it will be tough to win me over.

My guess on price is minimum of $800; no more than $1000.
 
Yeah, I'm looking at my 12-35 F2.8 and wondering how they are going to make it smaller AND faster…

by relying a LOT more on software correction than your 12-35 F2.8.

The Canon G1X mkII (like probably most other fast compacts) is a semi-fisheye at the 24mm end... straightened out in software.
 
It sounds like a multi-aspect sensor (YAY!), which can throw off the megapickel count and the focal length "crop factor" by a little bit. This one sounds pretty specific, down to the diagram of where it fits between the size of the RX100 and the G1X mkII. So I'd bet it really is a 24-75 equivalent but not a a precise 2 times crop factor.

Sounds like a REALLY compelling little package, with that GH4 sensor, which is a great sensor. The only drawback for me is the lesser range at the long end. I consider 90mm to be a minimum for an effective portrait length. So topping out at 70mm really limits it's use as a SINGLE walk around camera. For me at least. That said, it's a better sensor than the 1" Sony (although only very much better in low light - that 1" really hits above its weight otherwise) and I'd bet a far better camera ergonomically. But it makes for a pretty direct competition with the RX100 mkIII, which is at 24-70 with similar lens speed. If you want pocketable, you'll go for the Sony, if you prefer a slightly larger camera with what I assume will be better handling, you'll go for the Panasonic. Presuming similar prices of course...

-Ray

by relying a LOT more on software correction than your 12-35 F2.8.

The Canon G1X mkII (like probably most other fast compacts) is a semi-fisheye at the 24mm end... straightened out in software.

Either of these (multi-aspect or software correction) can explain the not-exactly 2x crop factor.
 
Either of these (multi-aspect or software correction) can explain the not-exactly 2x crop factor.
I'm pretty sure that if it were software correction, they'd just state the effective focal length of the corrected image (or, if it were Samsumg, the uncorrected image, which makes for a disappointingly narrow FOV, but I won't go into that here). I've never seen any company state a non-rounded number to reflect the fact that they're applying software correction.
 
I'm pretty sure that if it were software correction, they'd just state the effective focal length of the corrected image (or, if it were Samsumg, the uncorrected image, which makes for a disappointingly narrow FOV, but I won't go into that here). I've never seen any company state a non-rounded number to reflect the fact that they're applying software correction.

AFAiK, manufacturers still put actual focal lengths and apertures on the lens barrel, not equivalent or corrected values.
 
AFAiK, manufacturers still put actual focal lengths and apertures on the lens barrel, not equivalent or corrected values.

Not Panny. At least not on the FZ1000. It does say "35mm equiv" when you are zoomed all the way out to 400.
 
Not Panny. At least not on the FZ1000. It does say "35mm equiv" when you are zoomed all the way out to 400.

You're probably thinking about the focal length displayed in the electronic viewfinder?

On the the front of the FZ1000's lens barrel they still print the actual focal length of the lens "9.1-146"
 
AFAiK, manufacturers still put actual focal lengths and apertures on the lens barrel, not equivalent or corrected values.
equivalent no; corrected, yes, without a doubt. Lens distortion correction is applied all the time nowadays, but you never see odd focal length numbers, nor do you hear a lot of fuss about heavily distorted lenses giving shallower FOV's than advertised; that's because the advertised focal length matches the corrected images (except on my Samsung EX1 :(). Sometimes it's possible to see the uncorrected image, if the raw conversion software doesn't apply automatic correction, and that'll get you some width above and beyond the advertised lens width. As far as jpegs and corrected raw files are concerned, the only difference between a distorted-and-corrected lens and an undistorted lens is the unsharpness created by the distortion correction; there's usually no noticeable difference in FOV.
 
You're probably thinking about the focal length displayed in the electronic viewfinder?

On the the front of the FZ1000's lens barrel they still print the actual focal length of the lens "9.1-146"

Right. Front of lens shows actual. On the barrel, as it extends, it shows equivalent numbers.
 
It's hard to say what that price will translate to in the U.S. Camera prices on this side of the pond rarely translate into the euro price converted into dollars. Often, if a camera is 845 euros, it could be $845.
 
Most probably US will be $850. They say RX100 III sells for 800 Euro... More details:
Panasonic LX100 detailed specifications - Photo Rumors

•Panasonic LC1 style design
•4.3" 16 million pixel sensor (multi-aspect angle without loss)
•Lens: 10.9-34mm f/1.7-2.8 (equivalent focal length 24-75mm, magnification conversion of about 2.2: 1)
•ISO range: 200-25600 (extended to ISO 100)
•4K video (time limit for preventing heat)
•Power OIS
•3" LCD screen
•Built-in 280 million pixel EVF (1.39 times / translation 0.7-fold)
•Built-in Wi-Fi and NFC
•Hot shoe mount
•Size 4.52 "x 2.6" x 2.4 "(114.8 x 66 x 61mm)
•Weight: 400g
•Shipping date is late November or December (estimated)
 
Sounds like a very competitive, even fair price for such a brilliantly spec'd out camera...especially given that the m43 'pro' zooms are $900 on their own and are only f2.8 ...I reckon Panasonic may sell a few of these.
 
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