RX1 - turn off LCD with OVF?

Discussion in 'Sony RX1 Forum' started by Archiver, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. Archiver

    Archiver SC Top Veteran

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    Jul 11, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    I understand that the RX1's LCD cannot be turned off by itself. But some say that the LCD can be switched off if the EVF is fitted. If this is so, can the LCD be switched off altogether while the EVF is on? And is it possible to use a non-electronic OVF and still have the LCD turned off? I've been looking around on the internet and can't find a definite answer.

    Thanks a lot!
     
  2. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    If the EVF is fitted, you can turn off the automatic eye-detector and switch between the EVF and LCD manually. So if you set it manually for EVF, the LCD goes totally black. I think that's the only way to turn the LCD completely off. The option for whether to control the EVF automatically (eye detector) or manually is dimmed out when you don't have the EVF in the shoe however. If the camera doesn't detect an EVF mounted (through it's electronic connection), it has no way of knowing whether there's an optical finder up there or not. I just tried it with an old Olympus OVF and the option is still dimmed. So, unless the really expensive Zeiss OVF provides some sort of electronic notice to the camera (which I can't imagine it does), you can't turn the LCD off except with the EVF in place and the selection set for manual control...

    So the short answer is, NO, you can't turn it off any other way. The good news, though is that when you have the EVF in place and choose to control it manually, when it's set to the EVF rather than the LCD, the camera is TOTALLY dark until you raise it to your eye, at which point the EVF comes on. But if you hold it several inches away from your face, both the LCD and the EVF are dark. Maybe that would meet your needs? But without the EVF, no dice...

    -Ray
     
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  3. Archiver

    Archiver SC Top Veteran

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    Melbourne, Australia
    Thanks a lot, Ray. This goes very far towards answering these gripping questions, haha. I've read a single comment on a forum in which someone said that the Zeiss OVF allowed the screen to be turned off; but another comment says that the Zeiss has no electrical contacts at all, so I don't see how that could be the case.

    The EVF solution would most likely meet my needs! And the rubber band trick you posted to DPR is excellent. The question is whether a) I can really justify spending AUD$3000 on a camera that does not directly help me make money, especially when I still have a slew of other cameras, and b) if the RX1 will 'do it' for me in actual use. 'Do it' is the summary feeling of 'yes' that is a combination of shooting experience, image quality, image 'look', ergonomics, haptics and carryability.

    Thanks, again!
     
  4. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    The ONLY way I could see the Zeiss OVF possibly communicating with the camera is if there's just some sort of little pin on the front of the hot-shoe piece that causes some sort of very specific short in the electronic connectors under the front lip of the hot-shoe. I'd be shocked if it had anything like that - I'd imagine the full circuitry of the EVF would be needed to let the camera know it was there and enable that menu option.

    I actually abandoned the rubber band trick a while back because I do occasionally like to take the EVF off and I haven't had any trouble with it coming loose, but I guess it's more possible without it in there. But I walked around Italy every day with that camera all of July and never had it come loose, so probably not an issue...

    As for "the summary feeling of 'yes' that is a combination of shooting experience, image quality, image 'look', ergonomics, haptics and carryability", the ONLY thing I could imagine some people not quite liking with this camera is the AF speed. I think it's just fine for anything I've ever tried using the camera for. But it's not Olympus or Panasonic or Nikon or Canon fast. But I do find it dead accurate. That part I find perfectly acceptable, but others might not. Everything else you've listed here I find off the charts exceptional with this camera. But then I haven't had as much experience with as many premium cameras as you've had. so take that with a grain of salt...

    -Ray
     
  5. serhan

    serhan SC All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    One display option closes the lcd panel and makes the camera dark w/ or w/o viewfinder. It is in the camera options... EVF sensor does that automatically when you put your face on the camera... Camera doesn't have that auto sensor.
     
  6. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Where is this in the menus? I've never found it and the display button doesn't cycle through to a dark screen...

    -Ray
     
  7. serhan

    serhan SC All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
  8. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Thanks. That thread just verifies what I said above though - that menu item is only live when you have the EVF attached and then you can select the EVF manually and the LCD goes completely dark. With no finder or with an OVF, it doesn't work. Folks in that thread who were using OVFs were complaining that the feature was not available to them. Same as I'm finding...

    -Ray
     
  9. serhan

    serhan SC All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    I found a post in FM that custom button deactivates the lcd:
    It sounds like it may not be a permanent setting... After googling it, I find to how to choose it in the RX1 manual:
    http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4469573111/EN/contents/04/04/12/12.html#l3_s99062
     
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  10. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Well, I'll be damned. You are indeed a resource sir!

    It turns out that this option can be applied to any of the several programmable buttons on the camera. And it black out the image, but it still shows the basic settings for aperture, shutter speed, ISO, exposure comp along the bottom illuminated in white. And it stays off from shot to shot, but it doesn't stay off through turning the camera off and back on. But if you really like it it, it's one button push!

    -Ray
     
  11. Archiver

    Archiver SC Top Veteran

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    Jul 11, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    That solution looks like it will minimize screen brightness and economize on power, too. Another factor to consider...