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RX2 Speculation and wish list

Discussion in 'Sony RX1 Forum' started by El Guapo, Apr 1, 2015.

  1. El Guapo

    El Guapo SC Regular

    176
    Feb 3, 2014
    As this forum is a little slow, I thought I'd ask what you would like to see in a RX2 and speculate on if ever there will be one and what it might include.

    For me I'd like to see the same level of optical clarity and character that the existing lens has but if there is a curved sensor, I hope this translates to a thinner package. A OVF integrated would be great. It does not have to be a X100 style EVF combo, just a OVF with some data like ISO/Aperture/TV and a focus/lock indicator. More MP? Maybe not. How about a 12Mpixel FF sensor ala the A7S in a RX2 body. Maybe two versions a 12 and 36Mp version.

    Oh, and weather sealed. Doesn't have to be waterproof but sealed that we are not afraid to use it in the rain or desert.

    I'd like the lens to stay at 35mm or thereabouts.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Any changes I would want would be out of character with other Sony cameras.

    If I'm to be realistic, I could go for a tilty screen. They'll never make it weather sealed, and I don't think the design lends itself to an OVF with data.

    Frankly, I don't see a need for an RX2. Especially since it would be twice the price of a well sourced minty RX1.

    I guess I'd like a drive mode switch, but that's a seriously minor niggle.
     
  3. El Guapo

    El Guapo SC Regular

    176
    Feb 3, 2014
    There was some comments flying about the webs that the curved sensor would mean a simpler lens design and that in turn should bring the cost down.
    Likely more a hope than fact.

    Tilt screen often a nice one.
     
  4. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    I'm not in the market, but...

    1. Minimum shutter speed control in auto ISO.
    2. Sticky manual focus distance.
    3. Longer battery life.

    #1 is non-negotiable make or break.
    #2 & 3 would be nice.
    No other changes would matter to me...
     
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  5. SnapDawg

    SnapDawg Rorschach Test Pilot

    651
    Apr 18, 2014
    Canary Islands
    Ken
    I'm not in the market either and don't have much to add to what has already been said but in my book that's the second most useful and trouble free automation that has come up in the last 50 years - right behind aperture priority.
     
  6. ccrevasse

    ccrevasse SC Regular

    48
    Nov 20, 2013
    Lookout Mountain, Tennessee
    Chris Crevasse
    I agree with these, and would add faster start-up, faster AF, better flash implementation (for fill flash), lossless raw compression, built-in EVF, and a more effective way to select AF points. The critical one is minimum shutter speed control in auto ISO. It's baffling to me that this isn't a feature on every digital camera made today. How hard can it be to implement? All they would have to do is tweak the firmware.

    I don't see a need to change the lens or megapixels. If they do change the lens, a 35/1.4 would be great, assuming no loss in optical quality.

    As for whether there will be a successor to the RX1, I don't think it will happen. But if it does, it would have to be a very compelling improvement for me to upgrade.
     
  7. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Since I first started shooting with a camera that had this feature implemented well, I'm completely spoiled by it and won't buy another camera that doesn't do it and provide for a pretty fast min shutter speed (so you can use for long lenses, action, etc). It seems like an absolute no-brainer feature to offer given the incredible range of today's sensors. It's essentially a fully automatic mode that lets you set the parameters such that it makes decisions EXACTLY how you'd make them if doing it all manually, but it doesn't make you think about it from shot to shot. It wouldn't have been very useful with the sensors from even five years ago, but with today's, any camera with a sensor of 1" or larger has enough ISO range to really benefit from this feature.

    Nikon and Samsung do it right, Fuji does it pretty well in their high end ILC models (but not the X100 series), Ricoh has it but the min shutter speed only goes up to 1/250, Canon does it but doesn't offer as much control as it should, Pentax I'm not sure about, Olympus doesn't do it but offers a semi-workaround that lets you do it to a minimum extent, Panasonic and Sony don't do it at all. Which is a drag, because Sony, Olympus, and Panasonic are making some great stuff otherwise, but I won't go there without this functionality anymore...

    -Ray
     
  8. krugorg

    krugorg SC All-Pro

    Sep 26, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    Kyle Krug
    I would appreciate an integrated EVF (while retaining some kind of built-in flash) on my RX1. A tilt-screen would also come in handy occasionally. Incremental improvements in focus speed, menu options, etc., to bring it up to the level of the current A7 cameras, would be nice.
    * I am pretty sure the price of the RX2 and resale value of my RX1 will keep me from being a potential buyer of the new camera. :drinks:
     
  9. Livnius

    Livnius SC Veteran

    475
    Jun 3, 2012
    Melbourne. Australia
    Joe
    I'd like to see in order of preference:

    Built in EVF
    Nikon-styled shutter speed/ISO control
    Metering and drive mode dials
    Flippy screen

    The RX1 is a wonderful camera and i still miss it dearly but I don't see an RX2 any time soon, atleast not one which is significantly different to the '1'. If a '2' was released with the same gorgeous sensor/lens relationship and the changes I have listed above it would certainly be a very very pricey unit (and justifiably so). Also certain is that I would use the high release price to convince myself that I just do not 'need' it....only to cave in quite predictably 6 months after initial release!

    I think if an RX2 is ever made, it'll boast some relatively humble and incremental sensor and performance improvements and maybe a flippy screen, and not much else.
     
  10. chickenherby

    chickenherby SC Regular

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    Jan 25, 2015
    germany
    Herbert Lang
    Touchscreen and weathersealed
     
  11. serhan

    serhan SC All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    Sony/m43 ignores the min shutter ctrl... However RX1 has sticky mf distance as sb found by error:
    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1360200/0#12970291
    I prefer the RX1 size, so RX100 III evf should be a good match... Otherwise you can buy an A7 with Sony 28mm f2 with faster focus, evf, tilt screen, IBIS and all the ctrls...
     
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  12. nickthetasmaniac

    nickthetasmaniac SC Veteran

    201
    Jan 20, 2014
    Launceston & Sydney
    Nick Clark
    I wouldn't mind an RX-x with a 50mm f1.8 or thereabouts. Not really as a replacement, more to complement the current 35mm version. There's a heap of great options out there at the moment with a fixed 35mm or wider, but nothing really solid with a 50mm.
     
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  13. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    That's kind of interesting. I'm having trouble visualizing it, but if I still had the camera, I'd surely check it out. But I never found the "non-sticky" focus distance as troublesome as the lack of auto ISO - shutter speed control. It's pretty easy to get in the habit of turning the focus ring a quarter turn when you flip the camera on, but there's no real substitute for the min shutter speed functionality. Shooting in manual mode with auto ISO works, as does A mode with manual ISO, but either way you still have to constantly monitor the ISO and shutter speed balance, which you don't once you've set up a max ISO and min SS...

    -Ray
     
  14. ccrevasse

    ccrevasse SC Regular

    48
    Nov 20, 2013
    Lookout Mountain, Tennessee
    Chris Crevasse
    The macro-ring focusing trick is pretty cool. Basically, you can manually focus using the macro ring, and the focus will stay approximately where you set it even after the camera is turned off. You can even engage focus assist (magnification and peaking) while focusing. After focusing with the macro ring, you can AF at closer distances but not farther distances. If you do refocus, the original macro-focus setting is lost. And, of course, you have to remember to disengage the macro focus if you wish to return to normal AF.
     
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  15. Ellsass

    Ellsass New to SC

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    May 24, 2015
    I haven't gotten my RX1 yet, so I'm curious why you're requesting this. Are the current raw files lossily compressed, or are they not compressed at all?
     
  16. Gubrz

    Gubrz O.* Gonzo's & Bentley's Dad

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    Jun 5, 2012
    Austin, TX
    Eliot
    rx2 needs a 16mp CUrvED sensor somewhere between the a7s and a7 sensors... tilty screen, built in viewfinder, touch screen, ability to shoot in funky modes while in raw+jpg, everything ray said, and an 85/90mm option. i need 4 rx2 cameras, really... a 16/35/85/135
    all with a6000 focus speeds
    and the viewfinder should be xt1 like
    and the a7ii grip
    and electronic silent shutter
    and still a leaf shutter
    and hoocaps for each version of the lens
    and direct connect to wifi networks for direct upload to social media
    and the lens should be mechanical focus, not focus by wire
    and a focus tab, cause those look fun!
    and dedicated shutter and iso dials


    i suppose i could settle for that :)
     
  17. RT Panther

    RT Panther SC All-Pro

    Dec 25, 2012
    -Shutter speed dial
    -ISO dial
    -Built-in OVF
     
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  18. serhan

    serhan SC All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    It looks like we'll have a new Leica instead of RX2... Mirrorless rumor site is reporting June 10 Leica announcement. Per lavidaleica, it is Leica Q (Type 116) Hemingway, a 24MP FF camera with 28mm 1.7 lens. It has same size as RX1. The price will be around 4000 Euro ~ $4500...
     
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  19. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    That could be seriously interesting if it was a couple of grand less expensive. And if they do the controls the way I like 'em (pretty unlikely). That price puts it in a league I don't play in though... A full frame 28mm at the size of the RX1 would probably cause some amount of involuntary reflexive action on the part of my salivary glands though, no doubt...

    -Ray
     
  20. El Guapo

    El Guapo SC Regular

    176
    Feb 3, 2014
    Well it did surface in the form of the RX1r II