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The 27f2.8 pancake maybe a permanent fixture on my xe1

Discussion in 'Fuji X Forum' started by Garylh, Aug 2, 2013.

  1. Garylh

    Garylh SC Veteran

    The 27f2.8 pancake and XE1 are made for each other... It really does feel like a natural fit. While shooting with it today, I was reminded of the Olympus SP and Konica C35 both with 38f2.8 pancakes or the feel of shooting the Leica/Minolta CL w/ the 40f2.

    The lens is very light and soooo small. AF speed is not as good as the 18-55 zoom but feels better than the 35f1.4. The zoom is dead quiet compared to this lens when it comes to AF motor noise but still this lens is a bit quieter than the 35f1.4. The only thing missing from this package is a lens hood like the one from the Nikon 45 pancake (the shallow inverted cone style).

    At f2.8, there is already pretty good center sharpness but it is really at it's best around f5.6 when the corner sharpness is good. The 27 may not ever come off the XE1 except for putting on the 14f2.8 :D

    Here is some shots from Berkeley Bowl - just some quick grab shots to show the lens, first pano crop at f2.8 wide open
    _DSF1427.

    Next @f5.6 no cropping
    _DSF1420.

    Another @f5.6 but at around 20% crop
    _DSF1421.

    These were all shot RAW and developed using Aperture and my save processing affect.

    Cheers
    Gary
     
  2. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles SC Veteran

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    Jun 8, 2013
    idk anymore. all over the country.
    romi gilles
    how does the combo compare to the overall size of the x100s?

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  3. Garylh

    Garylh SC Veteran

    They are pretty close to same size in all dimensions. The x100 maybe a bit thinner due to having no mounting hw, the 35f2 cprear element can be mounted closer to the sensor. It is close enough that I would have to get out a ruler.

    Gary
     
  4. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles SC Veteran

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    Jun 8, 2013
    idk anymore. all over the country.
    romi gilles
    can you show any pics of the combo?

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  5. Biro

    Biro SC All-Pro

    Aug 7, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    Steve
    The lens gives a 40.5mm effective focal length. Perfect, in my book.
     
  6. Garylh

    Garylh SC Veteran

    OK here is a quick comparison shot of the X100 next to XE1 w/27.. The X100 looks taller because of the RRS grip I have on it, but really about the same height. The 27 is a hair shorter then the 23 on the X100, but essentially close enough.. I originally thought the 23 was a hair shorter.. Putting them next to each other tells a different story. Part of reason maybe the filter adapter ring though.

    _DSC3857.

    Gary
     
  7. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles SC Veteran

    338
    Jun 8, 2013
    idk anymore. all over the country.
    romi gilles
    hey, thanks. i guess the xs27 really is that shallow. maybe because the lack of an aperture ring?

    i have the RRS grips on both mine anyway.

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  8. Herman

    Herman The Image Stimulator

    Jul 11, 2010
    The Netherlands
    Herman
    Great shots!
     
  9. stillshunter

    stillshunter Super Moderator Emeritus

    Nov 5, 2010
    Down Under
    Mark
    Quite the Dynamic Duo, just like Batman and Robin (the Lycra camp version not the too-plasticky modern Hollywood rubbish). :wink:
    Stunning!
     
  10. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles SC Veteran

    338
    Jun 8, 2013
    idk anymore. all over the country.
    romi gilles
    it definitely matches well on an all-black x-e1.

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  11. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    pardon my denseness.....I haven't had my morning coffee yet. How does one change the aperture on that lens?
     
  12. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles SC Veteran

    338
    Jun 8, 2013
    idk anymore. all over the country.
    romi gilles
    ^
    i think the way we always have been able to by +/- two 1/3 stops with the xf lenses - that scrolly wheel button on the upper right side. forgot what fuji calls it. i think june firmware release added the function to control aperture for the newer xs lenses.

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  13. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    hmmmm....not sure I could get used to a couple different ways of changing apertures depending on what lens I'm using.
     
  14. rbelyell

    rbelyell SC Top Veteran

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    May 14, 2013
    NY Mtns
    pictures were lovely, the rendering, clarity and color are excellent. but i also am very curious about fujis lens design decisions. i dont understand making some lenses in the same line physical apertures and some not. honestly makes no sense to me, and defeats one of the main features setting the X line apart from the competition.
     
  15. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles SC Veteran

    338
    Jun 8, 2013
    idk anymore. all over the country.
    romi gilles
    i just hope the xf roadmap doesn't come to an end. i can understand pancake-style lenses sans aperture rings for the purpose of an xs lineup, but for any other reason, i just don't get as well. the film controls were one of the points i went with this system in the first place.

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  16. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    Both the lenses they have chosen to not include an aperture ring are not "premium" lenses and the pancake is very small so size and pricepoint would be a factor. You also have to consider that most photographers under the age of about 40 have grown up only changing camera settings on the camera body and would find the old style control layout on a modern camera quite odd. The new X-M1 for instance shows that Fuji realises that there is value in selling cameras that rely less on nostalgia. Now if they'd only had put a bloody touchscreen on that thing...
     
  17. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs SC Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    Haven't you ever had more than one camera/system with different controls between cameras? I like having the aperture settings on the lens all other things being equal. But currently I'm shooting with the RX1 (aperture ring), Nikon A (no aperture ring), Fuji XE1 w/14mm lens (aperture ring, but the damn thing is soooooo loose I almost wish it wasn't an aperture ring), and OMD (which doesn't have aperture rings on any of my current lenses, but I've used it with legacy glass that had 'em). I also have an LX7 (aperture ring) and a GXR-28 (no aperture ring). Changing back and forth between gear with 'em and without 'em has never been an issue. I used to have bikes with both Shimano and Campagnolo brake/shift levers, which use VERY different controls to serve the same basic functions. Folks always asked how you could deal with two such different systems. Well, I could only ride one bike at a time and it took about five seconds at the beginning of a ride to maybe consciously think about which you were on and which motion did what in the shifting process. And then you just do it that way. Same with cameras. Once I get to know a camera and its various controls (lens ring or not, but not limited to that), it might take a few seconds to reacquaint yourself with which you were shooting at the beginning of using one of them, but its not exactly difficult to keep 'em straight...

    The bigger issue I ever had was with the X100 and X100s, which HAVE aperture rings, but which only control full stop adjustments. If you want to do intermediate 1/3 stops, you have to use the little adjuster rocker on the back of the camera. Having two completely different controls to handle exactly the same function but in different increments was really confusing to me and I damn near never used the rocker as a result. THAT is a pretty serious pet peeve of mine with the X100 and 100s. None of the other Fujis with aperture rings do that. Neither does the lowly LX7 or the hifalutin RX1. It just don't make sense!

    -Ray
     
  18. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I HATE the 1/3 stop adjustments on the other Fujis......LOL. I guess we're all just different.
     
  19. Garylh

    Garylh SC Veteran

    Yep.. The scroll wheel that u use for manual focus mag view now serves double duty as an aperture adjustment dial in af mode. When u dial past f16 u will set A mode as well.

    Gary
     
  20. Garylh

    Garylh SC Veteran

    According to what I have read, it looks like getting the pancake as small as possible and keeping egonimics good was the driving force. Problem is I don't remember where I read this. I personally think the other reason could have been keeping a price point.

    The lens road map they are current showing has two lens lines now, the xf which was what we originally had and the new consumer brand xc line. They mentioned some fixed length tele lenses will be put on the road map in the future during the xm1 conference. I am assuming these will be for the xf line.

    Gary