This is kind-of interesting, maybe . . .

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  1. Jock Elliott

    Jock Elliott SC All-Pro

    Jan 3, 2012
    Troy, NY
    Cloudy day here in upstate New York.

    I was fooling around with cameras and wanted to see how the OMD EM5 II with 14-150 and digital zoom compared with the Sony HX400V at roughly the same magnification.

    Here's the OMD at 100 percent:

    OMD ME5 II snip.JPG
    Here's the HX400V, trying to get it roughly to the same size:

    HX400V snip.JPG

    And here are the originals. OMD:

    OMD EM5 II test 017.JPG
    And the HX400V:

    HX400V test 003.JPG

    Cheers, Jock
     
  2. davidzvi

    davidzvi SC Veteran

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    David
    That's a notable difference. What's the eq mm?
     
  3. Jock Elliott

    Jock Elliott SC All-Pro

    Jan 3, 2012
    Troy, NY
    The Sony was at 146mm times the crop factor (unfortunately, Sony metadata doesn't report what the equivalent mm would be). Found a crop factor website, which presents conflicting information -- either 6.03 or 5.33, which works out to 880mm e or 778mm e.

    The OMD was at 300mm e x2 (since the digital zoom was engaged), so . . . 600mm.

    Cheers, Jock
     
  4. bilzmale

    bilzmale Super Moderator Emeritus Subscribing Member

    Jul 17, 2010
    Perth, Western Australia
    Bill Shinnick
    Seems a case of you get what you pay for. Sharing purchase prices (new) could be interesting too.
     
  5. Jock Elliott

    Jock Elliott SC All-Pro

    Jan 3, 2012
    Troy, NY
    The HX400V was about $450 when I purchased it.

    The OMD EM5 II was $800 (open box); the Travel Lens Kit, $800; so $1600 for the combo.

    But here's the thing: the HX400V far, far exceeds the OMD/14-150 zoom in reach.

    Check out this photo:

    HX400V Oakwood cemetery hawk blue and skies 007.JPG
    That shot looks perfectly acceptable to me, so much so that I put it on a coffee mug for a Christmas present. It was taken with the HX400V at 1200mm e, plus a digital zoom multiplier of 1.63 . . . so, roughly 1800mm e (handheld!)

    Now check out the image at 100%:

    Hawk eye.JPG

    Just awful, right? Just look at all those digital artifacts! Nevertheless, at normal viewing magnifications, the HX400V delivers wonderful images, IMHO.

    But to get even close to the amount of reach offered by the HX400V, I would need the OMD EM5 II, plus the Panasonic 100-400, which would give me 200-800, times two, if I am will to use digital zoom, which would result in 400-1600 mm e. I have been tempted by this combo, but I don't know if I could successfully handhold it. (The OMD combo would be nearly three times the weight of the HX400V).

    Just for fun, I snipped this from CameraSize:

    sony vs omd.JPG

    You're right -- you get what you pay for. When I shoot an assignment, the OMD/14-150 is my first choice. My wife has even commented that the images I shoot with the OMD "look better."

    But sometimes, when you're playing "old guy, casual wildlife photographer," (like me) there is such a thing as good enough. (Sorry for winding on so long.)

    Cheers, Jock
     
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  6. davidzvi

    davidzvi SC Veteran

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    David
    I've never been able deal with a power zoom, at least not since my first DSLR. Part of me REALLY wants to try an FZ300, just can't bring myself to try again.
     
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  7. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I've been eye-balling that 100-400.....and some photos taken from it over at Mu-43. In capable hands (which mine are not) it delivers some pro quality photos. It's priced out of my reach (for now, anyways).

    But all that means is that the old Panasonic 100-300 and Oly 75-300 have been hitting the classifieds pretty regularly. For around $400 one can try out 600mm on a 43 sensor. And with the stabilization on that fancy E-M5 mk. ii.....that is well within handheld shooting shutter speeds.

    Of course, I may just save up a little longer for the PL 100-400..... or that Oly 300mm PRO f4. I wish Sigma would sell their tele lenses in m43 mount. What do they say....."If wishes were horses, beggars would ride"...I guess that's me.
     
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  8. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    actually, after a quick check on eBay, seems both the "old" Panasonic 100-300 and Oly 75-300 are around $400 new from overseas (with free shipping). I think my Paypal account is going to take a hit today.
     
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  9. davidzvi

    davidzvi SC Veteran

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    David
    A lot of the older P100-300s are starting to come up used as the vII just came out. It's availability is still a little limited, but you should see more and more of the original and the O75-300 coming up for sale. The vII has some nice updates:
    It's on my list since my GX85 will benefit with the Dual IS.
     
  10. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I'm not seeing much point in searching for a used one when I'm looking at a brand new 75-300 mk. ii for $369 delivered.

    With how often I shoot tele ( not very ) , it should be more than good enough. Up until a year ago it was one of the 2 best (only) options.
     
  11. davidzvi

    davidzvi SC Veteran

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    David
    Many look at the slightly faster speed of the P100-300 and lens OIS. With my GX85 I'd have to really look at the shutter speeds I've been using, but I'd have to guess I'd want lens OIS. On the GX85 the 100-300 vII is really the best option, not much comes close for the price.

    On something like the E-M1 mkI/II, E-M5 mkII, E-M10 mkII (maybe also the mkI of both as well) you might get close to a 50/50 response on a survey of the O75-300 vs P100-300 vI. The O750-300 has that 75-100 range and is smaller / lighter. It's crossed my mind to swap my GX85 for an E-M5 mkII just for that reason. But in general I like a range finder style body.
     
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  12. Tilman Paulin

    Tilman Paulin SC Top Veteran

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    Dublin, Ireland
    I think that's a good call, Luke. The Oly 75-300mm is one of those lenses that keep me in m43.

    - It's cheap enough that it's ok if you don't always use it.
    - It's small and light enough that you can take it along anywhere - just in case. (which means you'll use it more)
    - And it's certainly good enough. (You have to watch your technique a bit, since it's a light lens with a long focal length. So leaning against something or putting your elbows on something makes a visible difference).

    Those 3 points are kind of what m43 is about for me. Options for everybody's needs/wants.
    In my case: I don't shoot a lot of wide-angle -> got myself a cheap-ish and tiny Oly 9-18mm. I shoot a lot in the "normal range" -> therefore I'm happy to use the big and clunky (but excellent) old four thirds lenses (like the 12-60 or 14-150). And lastly: I shoot tele more than wide, but less than 'normal' -> the Oly 75-300 is the perfect bookend for that...

    All the bird shots at the top of my current flickr photostream are done with the 75-300mm.
    They're not all "spot-on", but all good enough for me :)
     
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  13. davidzvi

    davidzvi SC Veteran

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    David
  14. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    For me it'll be an E-M5 or E-M1...both first gen. And Tilman is also shooting with the E-M5 as evidenced by this shot....... snacking on buds


    Frankly, if I could get a shot like that one, I'd be over the moon.

    If I were a Panasonic shooter, I'd get the 100-300
     
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  15. Tilman Paulin

    Tilman Paulin SC Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2011
    Dublin, Ireland
    I have an Oly EM5 and EM1 (both first gen).
    The 75-300mm pretty much lives on my EM5, since it's my secondary camera. (I added the Fotodiox grip to the EM5 - which helps quite a bit with the handling of bigger lenses on the EM5)
     
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  16. davidzvi

    davidzvi SC Veteran

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    Apr 18, 2014
    David
    Yes that is a very nice shot.
     
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  17. Tilman Paulin

    Tilman Paulin SC Top Veteran

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    Dublin, Ireland
    Luke, it might be worth considering the EM1 over the EM5, if you're still deciding. The EM1 got a pretty good autofocus update in one of its last big firmware updates. (I remember noticing an improvement with the 75-300mm, back when it was released).
    No idea, how focussing compares to the old EM5. But I got some good results for (sitting) birds with the EM5 too.
    (I did sometimes switch to manual focus (with magnification) though. But I probably would have done that on the EM1 too. :) )

    P.S.: oh, and it also helps to have a tree right in front of your upstairs window :)
     
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  18. Herman

    Herman The Image Stimulator

    Jul 11, 2010
    The Netherlands
    Herman
    Seems that bridgecameras outclasses system/dslr cameras in price, weight, size?

    Best, Herman
     
  19. Jock Elliott

    Jock Elliott SC All-Pro

    Jan 3, 2012
    Troy, NY
    Yes.

    Cheers, Jock
     
  20. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Price, weight, size, but not IQ. I'm in the process of divesting myself of my superzooms/bridge cameras (not the FZ1000, I still like that). I just don't want tiny sensor cams anymore. Even the TZ60 will be going. Actually, thats next after the FZ100 leaves home today.