As you know close ups are not easy with the M8 and a 28mm lens. I keep trying Two images for you to view - they are not taken on a "like for like" basis so you can throw a lot of comments at them - they were taken within 5 mins of each other - both hand held - different ISO, f values and shutter speed The first image was taken with my Leica M8 plus Zeiss Biogon 28mm/f2.8 ZM - you can say that the effective FX of the lens is 35mm. It is a 30% crop - i.e. 70% of the image has been discarded - it was taken at the closest I could focus the lens - just over half a meter - it is of course a MF lens ISO 160 - f8 - 1/60 sec The second image was taken with my Panasonic G1 plus PL 20mm/f1.7 - you can say that the effective FX is 40mm. It is a 90% crop - i.e. 10% of the image has been discarded - it is of course an AF lens ISO 400 - f3.2 - 1/500 sec Both have slight, (the same - plus a slight vignette to give a mood feel) treatment in LR3 My first conclusion is: 1). That the M8 with good glass can produce very good cropped (close) images - OK - the M8 (was) £2,000 ($3,000) + and the lens - maybe £600, (over US$1,000), compared with £500, (US$800), for the G1 and lens - but we knew this didn't we?