What do folks think about a Canon CSC?

Discussion in 'Open Gear Talk' started by wt21, May 10, 2012.

  1. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    More rumors are point to a near-m43 sized sensor in the upcoming Canon CSC (which itself is still just a rumor).

    What do folks think?

    Here are my thoughts on Canon (from someone who has been shooting Canon DSLRs for the last 4-5 years):

    1) I would be very interested in a FF mirrorless, but there's no indication this will happen, and is close to 0% probability, IMO.

    2) I'm not sure I'd care about an APS-C sized mirrorless, as there are already good options in those categories. Yes, Canon has a lot of lenses, but they are all PDAF optimized, so the new camera would have to have some kind of PDAF option (adapter, or on-lens, ala Nikon 1) to make those workable.

    3) If it's m43 sized, then I think I'm not interested. I would have been interested 6 months ago, but the OMD seems to really be powerful. What could Canon offer as an advantage over m43, if it has s similar sized sensor, and no native CDAF lenses (unless, as above, they have some kind of PDAF tech in the camera or adapter).

    4) The ONLY thing I could think of is if they had a true RF-type body -- sort of a mini XPro1 -- that was a bit more like $1,000, but even then they'd need to launch with primes that could compete with the PL25 and Oly 45.

    I've attached a poll too, because everyone loves polls!
     
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  2. krugorg

    krugorg SC All-Pro

    Sep 26, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    Kyle Krug
    I think they are going to go with a 4/3 sensor based on the quotes from them that it will "approach" dslr IQ. A safe way for them to dip their toe in the water and disrupt the market a bit. I don't know, maybe Nikon and Canon are smart in their safe approaches... maybe the CSC competition is really only eating into lower end DSLR and P&S markets. Maybe they can wait a bit longer before they have to respond.
     
  3. Xuereb

    Xuereb SC Veteran

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    Nov 5, 2010
    W. Australia
    My reservation with Canon has been the way in which their engineers choose to render colour: very differently from Panasonic and Olympus. And of course much depends on the lens range.
     
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  4. Julien

    Julien SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 6, 2012
    Paris, France
    Julien
    I think it's all about lenses for me. I don't really care about what camera/sensor they release: if they don't have the lenses I need I won't but it.
     
  5. Amin Sabet

    Amin Sabet Administrator

    Jul 3, 2010
    0 votes? I can think of a couple people who haven't voted yet :biggrin:.
     
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  6. nippa

    nippa SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 7, 2010
    Cheshire UK
    Dennis
    My feeling is that the G1X is something of a testbed.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see the same sensor used in a multi-aspect configuration in the way Panasonic uses the sensor in the LX5.
    Whatever I won't be buying Canon while Fuji keep producing really interesting cameras.
     
  7. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I think they're awfully late to the game. If they made a true rangefinder, THAT would pique my interest, but that ain't gonna happen.
     
  8. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 21, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Chuck
    They seem to have more than one rendering. The G series enthusiast P&S cameras have fairly vibrant colors SOOC, while the DSLR's I've used (40D, 450D) had more muted (read "blah") colors. Canon G similar to Olympus, Canon 40D similar to Panny GF1. At least to my old and fading eyesight...
     
  9. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    I'm still unsure about the possible usage of the smaller G1X sensor in a Canon MILC. On the one hand it's certainly quite good and would allow them to compete head-on with Micro 4/3 in the lens size department, but it would be harder for them to leverage the continued use of their existing EF and EF-S lenses with another slightly odd crop factor. I personally would have little intention of adapting the SLR lenses since they are all hopeless at CDAF on EOS cameras and tend to be larger than most, but as a means to ween existing customers off their SLR systems Canon may look to place an emphasis on this. Either way, regardless of whether they use the existing G1X or APS-C EOS sensor they will be giving away a small head start to the Olympus E-M5 in sensor performance.

    What I would like to see is for them to launch a more comprehensive system from Day 1, rather than the usual 1 standard zoom, 1 tele zoom, 1 superzoom, and 1 prime. Any interest I would have in another new system would be reduced if I had to wait another 2 or 3 years to build it out.
     
  10. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    Voted!

    Thankfully I am content with what I have.:popcorm2:
     
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  11. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    I needed another option halfway between 5 and 6

    i.e. I am happy with what I currently have but if this turns out to be a) awesome, and b) offers something a bit unique or different than I would probably buy into it. In the end I just did a Canon fanboy vote because option 5 looked so lonely with no votes next to it's name.
     
  12. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Is it because the compacts (at least in the past) had CCDs and the DSLRs are CMOS???
     
  13. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Good point. I should have a vote that says something like "I will only buy if it has trinity fast primes (28, 35 and 50, or 28, 50, 85, or something like that), and a fast normal zoom, along with the kit zooms."
     
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  14. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Did you therefore vote for #4, the RF option?
     
  15. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    I don't think so. The G1X has a higher level of default colour saturation than an EOS camera, particularly the blues, and the jpeg engine is based on the Powershot/IXUS model rather than use the EOS-based "Picture Styles". It's actually a rather good combination: Powershot colours with EOS IQ.
     
  16. pictor

    pictor SC All-Pro

    Jul 14, 2010
    A compact system camera with a full frame sensor would be great and I am sure that there are many who would buy that. But I am nearly completely hopeless that this could happen soon. All companies which could do that are afraid of loosing sales of their DSLRs until they are forced to change their strategy.
     
  17. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I voted for the satisfied with my current set-up. I won't buy a rangerfinder-esque camera. I have the X100. But if they made an actual rangefinder camera (and it was in the area of affordable), I would buy one (and I assume they could sell a truckload). It wouldn't cut into their DSLR sales because it is a different type of camera. Canon-ites would buy it and rangefinder enthusiasts would buy it. But they'll never make one.
     
  18. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    One more thing: A capacitive touchscreen with focus point selection and shutter release. It needs one. Every camera needs one...
     
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  19. Crsnydertx

    Crsnydertx SC Top Veteran

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    Jan 21, 2011
    Houston, TX
    Chuck
    Ahh..that is exactly the reason. I just couldn't dredge that fact out of my aging memory. Thanks!
     
  20. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    Well, it just got a lot LESS interesting A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3] « Canon Rumors

    Key sentence "Don’t expect anything too “retro” or “rangefinder-esque”, as this is going to be a mass market consumer electronics type of camera. It’ll be more Nikon 1 than Fuji X-Pro 1."

    But we'll see what kind of toys it offers in technology.