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What do you recommend for full-auto pixel peepers?

Discussion in 'Open Gear Talk' started by KillRamsey, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
    What do you recommend for people who want to A) not really learn how to use cameras, and yet B) want top-notch pictures, and ideally C) not carry around anything nearly as big as a dslr...?

    Let em explain.

    - A guy walks up to me at work because he knows I like cameras.
    - He complains that he hates the images from his camera phone, and says he wants to buy an actual camera.
    - He asks what I have, and I show him the X100. "Can I see some pictures from it?" Sure. "Zoom all the way in. Oh that's NICE."
    - He wants one, for a few seconds at least.

    So at this point he's pixel peeping, looking for tiny details in the corners.

    - I show him the studio shot comparo tool in dpreivew, he jotts down the root url. He can immediately see the difference between X20 files, for example, and X100 files. He wants the better images, he says.
    - He then wants to see more of my pictures.
    - He is drawn to every shot with bokeh - the more the better, pretty much.
    - I briefly explain what it is, and generally how to get it. His eyes gloss over slightly, and I realize he's probably not going to ever really understand it.

    So now I understand more what I'm dealing with. He likes the look that comes with bigger sensors and faster glass, but he's probably not going ever operate a camera outside Full Auto mode.

    ...I said "check out the Sony RX100." But I really don't know all the options out there. What would the lot of you have said?
     
  2. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    what's his budget?

    I'd say RX1 if he wants go go "all-in"
    The X100 (or s) is great. You can show him how to set both dials on A for Auto in case he also doesn't want to read the manual :biggrin:
    Any of the m43 cameras with a fast prime
    Any NEX with a fast prime
    Any DSLR with a fast prime

    If he really like the OOF elements of a photograph, any camera with a bigger sensor will be fine if he gets fast glass.
     
  3. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
    It has to be pocketable, and he has to be able to hand to ANYONE and have them take a photo of him.

    Having so much experience behind the X100 I feel like maybe I am glossing over the learning curve or even shooting quibbled that newbies experience with it. Sometimes my wife takes a shot with it, and most of the time it's not focused right, for example. It made me shy away,

    Also I would say under a grand for budget.
     
  4. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    to me pocketable and best IQ there is no discussion. The RX100 is it. The LX7 or the Oly ZX-1 or 2 are very good for their price points, but I must say I was blown away by the RX100. It seems like there is a gulf of a performance gap between anything else that is truly pocketable.
     
  5. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
    Ok so I'm not crazy.








    Yet.
     
  6. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    If he doesn't mind a fixed lens camera like the X100, but the X100 seems too complicated for him -- after all, there's no dial with "auto" on it -- then how about something like the Nikon A?

    The Nikon A can be placed on full auto, and it will still get your friend excellent IQ. It's $100 over budget, but it's definitely worth it if he wants the best IQ in a pocketable and easy to use package.
     
  7. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Oh yeah....forgot about the Nikon A and the GR. Still, I bet the kind of person who wants a full auto everything camera would also like some zoom. ANytime I hand a fixed focal length camera to almost ANYONE....even people who are photographers(!), they say.....how do you zoom? I say "with your feet.....there is no zoom" and they look at me like I'm speaking Latin.
     
  8. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
    Bingo bango.

    (He's chinese so his english has some interesting quirks) "So when you see the mountain, and you want just the small part of it in the picture, how do you ..." Zoom? "Yes. Zoom. Did not know that word." You walk closer. "(eyes pop open wide)"
     
  9. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    His response, "that's a lot of walking"!!
     
  10. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    And for somewho really like "detail photos" (like the tip of the mountain) may not be satisfied with the RX100 zoom. My wife LOVES zooming. It's the most important feature for her. So she's got a superzoom. Of course she can't stick it in her pocket. The perfect camera is an impossibility. One needs to figure out which trade-offs are acceptable.
     
  11. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
  12. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    wow.....old digital cameras are sometimes the craziest looking things. I'd love to walk around with that thing around my neck and talking on a late 80s cell phone.
     
  13. BBW

    BBW Administrator Emeritus

    Jul 7, 2010
    betwixt and between
    BB
    You do make me laugh, Luke.
     
  14. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    Like this?

    dkmb86g_487pr55s2hc_b.
     
  15. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
  16. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    Sue, that camera looks pretty "normal"!
     
  17. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    He's never going to have it both ways unless he gets a camera with interchangeable lenses. He can have a pocketable superzoom or he can have huge IQ with a small zoom camera. OR he could go Nikon 1 to avoid DSLR and stay with small lenses and decent IQ.
     
  18. drd1135

    drd1135 SC Hall of Famer

    Jul 13, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    Steve
    I have a friend that wants exactly this combo. Small, super zoom, high IQ. She got a Nikon P(something), about 24-240 zoom with the usual 1/2.3 sensor. She also has a Pentax K10D with a 18-200 (or so) super zoom, but she just finds that too heavy to take. I've been pointing her toward a Nikon 1 J1 and the two zoom kit. I think that would be the perfect compromise for her.
     
  19. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    The Nikon 1 is all alone in that space..... that's a great recommendation Steve (for your friend). It might even be a good choice for KillRamsey's friend as well if he's OK with going a touch bigger and losing pocketability and doesn't mind changing lenses.
     
  20. Garylh

    Garylh SC Veteran

    Things that are reasonable compact and good as p&s cameras IMHO.

    In pure p&s w/ good iq
    - Best bang for the buck.. Panasonic lx5 or 7.
    - best of bred RX100 or x20

    Want better iso and iq - next jump would be m43 world.. Start to really c some of what e is after
    - Panasonic gx7
    Even though I have Olympus omd, the menu system would drive someone crazy who is not into cameras compared to the Panasonic plus te new gx7 looks like it could be a winner..

    Next jump in quality but w/ good p&s aspects
    - x100s
    - xm1/xe1 w/ kit lens
    - Nikon Coolpix A rather than the Ricoh gr mainly because I think te menu setup would drive a newbie crazy. If it was someone who was into learning all aspects then I would add the gr to the mix.
    - Nex 3n/5r/6/7

    The rx1 has already been mentioned.. Not sure if there is anything else coming in ff that would be considered p&s.

    The best compromise in overall iq, performance and price is going to be the apsc sensor cameras though. I have had it happen to me several times before.. I have basically steered them as u did to sites like dp review w/ a list of my recommendations and told them which cameras I have and offered to be a sounding board..

    Btw that Sony he has is the predecessor of my R1 which I still have :D

    Good luck w/ your friend
    Gary