Which external screen?

Discussion in 'Computers' started by kyteflyer, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    I thought all my Christmases had come at once when I saw a bunch of people discussing the Yamakasi Catleap screen, coming out of Korea, for very few dollars. It uses the same panel (more or less, they are Apple rejects due to possible bright or dark pixels) as the Apple 27" screen (apparently made by LG, though you can't yet seem to get an LG branded screen of the same resolution) and costs only between $300-400 depending on whether its UK pounds, US dollars or AU dollars (I've discovered the cheapest is to buy in US dollars, our AUD is above parity again)... So Windows computer users, you might want to take a look BUT make sure you have one of the recommended graphics cards.

    Here's one link:
    New YAMAKASI CATLEAP Q270 SE 27" LED 2560X1440 Computer Monitor + Tempered glass | eBay

    And another from a different seller (this one gets a good rap from au buyers).
    New Yamakasi Catleap Q270 27" LED 2560x1440 WQHD S-IPS Widescreen Monitor | eBay

    However... even though this is the same panel as the apple screen, which my MBP would happily work with, apparently NO mac or macbook/pro will work, because our gfx cards are wrong. I wrote to greensum to find out why, he was less than helpful in that way, but suggested that the GPU might burn out if I tried, and not to buy. I'm not going to risk it. So sad :(

    So all of that is leading to my real question (I just thought some would like to know about that catleap) which is... which screen to pair with my early 2011 13" macbook pro. Editing on this screen is just as fraught as it is on a netbook screen, so I'm looking looking.

    Currently on my horizon is the Dell U2410 (I've decided if I cant have the catleap I actually dont want 27", I'll be overwhelmed!) but also the Dell U2412M and the U2312HM. These last two dont cover 100% of the colour gamut but... oh well...

    Does anyone have other experiences, bearing in mind that my budget is strictly limited to around $300-400 (waiting for a sale price like that on the 2410 might see me in my grave first). I'm prepared to accept any brand screen, I'm not brand loyal, I dont care if its glossy or matte, because glossy is all I have had in recent years, so dark curtains all round in computer areas. It would be nice to have a 1920x1200 screen (2410 and 2412M) but I also accept I may have to have something like a 1080, like it or not.

    Suggestions? (yes, I know Eizo is the go, its well outside my capacity to pay for it!)
     
  2. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Bump. Anybody? Or is everyone just too excited about new gear to think about it?
     
  3. ajramirez

    ajramirez SC All-Pro

    Jul 9, 2010
    Caguas, Puerto Rico
    Antonio
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  4. Pelao

    Pelao SC All-Pro

    Jul 11, 2010
    Ontario, Canada
    Stephen
    Hi
    My experience with this is personal and professional: my own stuff on the best I can afford, and a pro creative shop with a much larger budget.

    I use anNEC, and would agree with the ones recommended by Antonio. Dell has some good ones too, but beware: they source actual screens from different suppliers according to availability and price, so quality varies.

    Buy the best you can, and reserve some cash for a calibration kit. It will make a real difference, especially when you print.
     
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  5. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Thanks for the suggestions, Antonio. Yes, a bit outside budget, and I was also hoping to get a higher resolution screen, 1920x1080 or 1200 (22" is fine)... But perhaps I will look more closely at the other NEC options. I remember paying an absolute fortune for a second hand NEC Multisync back in 1994 or so, around $650 AUD for 14" of nice CRT screen. Gawd, how times change.

    Thanks for that info about Dell. I know Apple does the same thing, the current crop come from LG apparently. So I will look more closely at NEC, but TBH am still likely to end up with a Dell. I went to some stores this morning, and got very disappointed at the crop of screens on sale at the moment. They all looked quite crappy. Perhaps I want too much. Even computer stores that do nothing but build computers to order don't have much on offer.

    I'd really like to be able to see one of these things before buying but it seems that will be out of the question. Its online or its nothing, at least where I live.
     
  6. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Followup... Just been looking at prices for NEC in Australia. OUCH. Back to Dell.
     
  7. Xuereb

    Xuereb SC Veteran

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    Nov 5, 2010
    W. Australia
    I too am searching for a monitor. Dell appears to be the only realistically priced option in Australia. If you look around the 2410 is available for about $570 while the Dell website continues to charge $799! I am torn between the 2410 (wide gamut) and 2412 (sRGB only). I only edit in RAW and have no experience of ips monitors so any suggestions or tips would be very welcome.

    Kyteflyer, keep us posted on how you get on and I will do the same.
     
  8. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Where on earth did you see the U2410 for $570? I've been looking and looking and searching and not finding much at all except their lesser screens. I'd be in like Flynn if I could get it for that. The U2412M also tempts me (in fact these are the two I am most attracted to) because its LED and thus a bit of power saving, whereas the U2410 is not LED.

    Next sale day switch is Thursday, I'm waiting to see what turns up then. The U2412M wont be on again for a while, it was on last week for $279. The U2312HM is on right now for $244, but its 1920x1080 and I want the extra screen height from the two 24s.

    The main difference between the two, from what I can immediately see is the LED issue, the U2412 doesn't have as many connection options, and the 2410 covers 100% of the sRGB colour gamut and 98% of the Adobe colour, whereas the 2412 only does 82%. Other than that, much of a muchness.

    [edit] just did a google search and where nothing turned up the other day, today, Harris Tech has it for $562. I'll keep looking but right now am thinking that is going to be the one I get unless I find some for much much less. HT has 35 in stock in NSW as I type.

    [edit #2] arghhhh. A friend has just warned me that the HT stock might be really really old, HT are almost always more expensive than anywhere else... holding off.
     
  9. Xuereb

    Xuereb SC Veteran

    380
    Nov 5, 2010
    W. Australia
    will wait for the next price switch on the 2412 and see how much the price drops. I must have just missed the last one. A sixth sense warns me off the cheap price 2410 which in WA can be had from one source for $540 approx. If it is old stock it will need a firmware update but I also suspect the 2410 is being sold off because the model is soon due to be replaced.

    I currently have a Viewsonic 22 inch and certainly need the extra height a 24 inch monitor gives. I don't know if the difference in the Adobe colour rendering is justified by the greater price of the 2410.
     
  10. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    I'm inclined to agree after thinking about it for a while, but still, only 82% of sRGB, thats not so good, either :( Just did some reading on OCAU and the 2412 has got a generally good response there. HT has it for $330 at the moment. I dunno, maybe it will be good enough for me. god knows I have been putting up with this 13" screen, anything is going to be better than that. Fingers crossed for a discount on Thursday.

    Interesting stuff on wide gamut displays: http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=723315
     
  11. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    this thread kinda bums me out. My workflow has me tied to a laptop so I can spend time with my better half (I work on photos while she watches awful TV shows). No such thing as a laptop with a good screen....... at least not anywhere close to what I'd spend for one.

    Enjoy the frustration of your search. At least when it reaches its' conclusion, you'll have a sweet new monitor.
     
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  12. Boid

    Boid SC All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    Bangalore, India
    Rajiv
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  13. Boid

    Boid SC All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    Bangalore, India
    Rajiv
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  14. wt21

    wt21 SC Hall of Famer

    Aug 15, 2010
    As a non-pro, I've been very happy with my Dell U2311Hb. Documentation

    I don't know what the replacement for that monitor is, as this is a past year's model.
     
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  15. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    That looks decent, but the places I can get it from for a reasonable price are those I am unsure about buying from :( None of the local Asus stockists have it and if they did, it would be priced beyond my capacity to pay. Might investigate further, though... I'll make some enquiries about the online sellers in a forum where the denizens will know. On specs at least, it looks as good as the U2410.

    errrr.... yeah. not. :p

    Indeed! I have no idea what this particular lappie screen is good for, except text. Its OK for basic stuff but the more I read about colour and managing it, the more I realise that editing on this (which I have been doing for months now) has probably been wasted time and effort. Likewise on the iMac I just sold. At least I know the GPU in this can drive up to 2650x1440, so 1920x1200 should be no problem at all.

    The search is frustrating indeed, but hopefully I will find something soonish.
     
  16. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    Interesting thread on the Asus here on Whirlpool (an au forum)... and theres a reference there to a proper review.

    [edit] Actually, the hardwarecanucks site is pretty good for lots of reviews. Its given a good rap to the Asus but its power consumption has ruled it out for me. With our electricity prices set to rise by another 20% this year I am looking to save as much as I can. This means the U2410 may also be out. More reading to be done here.

    Heres the link to the hardwarecanucks reviews pages
     
  17. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    YIPPEEE!!

    Dell (Australia at least) has a sale on. 30% off some of their screens, 25% off others. I just ordered a U2410 (1920x1200, 100% cover) for $559 (normally $799 over here). The U2412M is down to $279 from $399.

    :)
     
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  18. kyteflyer

    kyteflyer ~@¿@~

    Jan 31, 2011
    Newcastle, Australia
    Sue
    WOW! Dell is pretty snappy. Screen arrived at 3pm today, wasnt expecting it til next week. All set up with miniDP to VGA for now, but plan to acquire more appropriate connectors (it came with a slew of cables) etc on Saturday or through the Apple store.

    Can't quite believe how large the text is, on screen. No longer have to squint! Though I think I had actually increased it via Ctrl+ on the MBP because it all seemed so tiny. All good... really. Need to work on the calibration, its a bit of a learning curve (no access to colormunki etc) however for now its set to adobeRGB and will do til I can calibrate properly.
     
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  19. winginkris

    winginkris SC Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2011
    Sue, how are you liking your new monitor? I'm in the market and I'm trying to get some ideas. So many choices!!
     
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  20. Livnius

    Livnius SC Veteran

    475
    Jun 3, 2012
    Melbourne. Australia
    Joe
    I just recently got the same monitor...the U2410 and only just realized after purchasing it that my HP laptop doesn't have the whole array of ports required so I too will need to look at various adapters. I kinda jumped into it without doing all my research....got it for $300 in mint used condition so I shot first and am now asking questions later ;)

    Sue I'd love to know more about how your connected it into your machine using the various adapters.

    Joe.
     
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