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X-E1 EVF display of camera setting effects

Discussion in 'Fuji X Forum' started by seukel, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. seukel

    seukel SC Rookie

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    Oct 31, 2012
    This might actually be a stupid question for some, but I am new to EVF's and did not find an answer elsewhere. I am coming from the Pentax DSLR-world with OVF's only.

    My questions is: Does the viewfinder on the X-E1 show you what the sensor sees and what the final image will look like? For instance, does the viewfinder image get brighter or darker when you change your exposure manually or do exposure compensation (like the liveview on the Pentax K5)?

    BTW I am eagerly waiting for the X-E1 to be available in Sweden.

    Thanks
     
  2. KillRamsey

    KillRamsey SC Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2012
    Cambridge, MA
    Kyle
    Based on my X100 which I assume is the same, yes. When you (for example) set the camera to b&w, the EVF is too. Ditto the EV comp wheel ... +1 brightens it too, etc. Having said that, I can still have manually changed the shutter settings to a point where a picture will come out too bright or too dark and the EVF won't show you it's coming, but how could it? There's no shutter aspect to the EVF.
     
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  3. seukel

    seukel SC Rookie

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    Oct 31, 2012
    Thanks. So the EVF's on the X100 and the new X-E1 are really the same? I thought there were differences.
     
  4. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin SC Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    Nic
    They are different with the X-E1 having a newer, higher resolution EVF, but in principle should work in the same manner with regards to exposure preview.
     
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  5. flysurfer

    flysurfer SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2011
    Same same, but different. ;)
     
  6. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    Just had the XE1 for one day, and that seems to be exactly the case. It's not a WYSIWYG EVF like the OMD. I wish Fuji would make that an option for the user.
     
  7. tdp

    tdp Guest

    I just picked up my XE1 from the table, looked through the EVF and spun the EV dial up to +2 and back down to -2 and the EVF indeed gets brighter and darker.
     
  8. seukel

    seukel SC Rookie

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    Oct 31, 2012
    Sorry, I am new to this, but what exactly does that mean? What you see is what you get? So ... in relation to my original question (Does the viewfinder on the X-E1 show you what the sensor sees and what the final image will look like?) the answer then is no, or?
     
  9. flysurfer

    flysurfer SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2011
    It works like every live view camera system. All JPEG parameters are reflected in the EVF and on the LCD.
     
  10. seukel

    seukel SC Rookie

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    Oct 31, 2012
    According to a similar thread in dpreview from today (X-E1 EVF --> exposure preview?) the evf live view does not reflect exposure settings and not even a B&W preview when shooting B&W.
     
  11. tdp

    tdp Guest

    Perhaps dpreview is not the best place for information. I have the camera in front of me and it shows B&W, Sepia and so forth on the EVF and LCD.
     
  12. tdp

    tdp Guest

    Since the proof is in the pudding, here is a video demonstration I just made. Shot with my iPhone so forgive the quality.

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  13. seukel

    seukel SC Rookie

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    Oct 31, 2012
    Thanks tdp. And the evf shows exactly the same i guess?
     
  14. tdp

    tdp Guest

    Correct.
     
  15. flysurfer

    flysurfer SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2011
    Reading this, I think I made a very good call when I decided to ignore the dpreview forums several months ago. :)
     
  16. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    Sorry, I should have been clearer. Like TDP's video shows, if you apply the film simulation filters like B&W or Sepia or Velvia, the image on the LCD/EVF will reflect the application of the filter.

    If you change the exposure compensation, the image on the LCD/EVF will brighten or darken accordingly.

    However, in the M and S mode, if your settings will result in overexposure or underexposure, the image in the LCD/EVF will not reflect the overexposure or underexposure. So if you go solely by what you are seeing on the LCD/EVF, you may end up getting a final image that is darker or brighter than what you were seeing on the LCD/EVF.

    In short, my experience is that the image on the LCD/EVF always reflects the optimal exposure regardless of the actual exposure dialed in by the user (via aperture setting, shutter setting and ISO); notwithstanding the use of the exposure compensation dial, which will brighten or darken the image on the LCD/EVF correspondingly.

    Hope that made some sense ...

    I typically shoot in A setting, and with auto ISO 6400. So that's not an issue for me for the most part.
     
  17. flysurfer

    flysurfer SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2011
    There's no problem in S mode. If it is, your camera must be broken.
     
  18. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    Jack
    So what you are saying is that using your XE1 in S mode, if you set the shutter speed at 1/4000, ISO 200, while in a low light area, your LCD/EVF will reflect the exact exposure of the final image?

    In my XE1, the LCD/EVF will show a nicely exposed live view image, but the actual photo taken is terribly underexposed.

    Obviously, I would not be setting my camera on 1/4000 in a low light room, but this is just an example.

    I don't think it's broken, but rather, this was just a choice Fuji made as their implementation of live view.

    TDP, can you please check your XE1 as well and let me know? Thanks.
     
  19. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I know the X100 is a totally different camera, but mine shows an optimum exposure at all times regardless of how screwed up I set the parameters. Is there some menu item I need to adjust to get that WYSIWYG kind of operation? Or is this just for the X-E1 and X-Pro?
     
  20. flysurfer

    flysurfer SC Top Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2011
    No live view camera will correctly reflect totally underexposed settings, in either mode. Hence the live histogram will also not be accurate under such circumstances. But this is nothing that's specific to the X-E1. You need to set the camera in a way that actually will produce a visible image.